Babylon Bee suspended from Twitter for not telling popular lies

[zantax]

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

But should you be accepted as a real woman merely because you desire to affect, however badly or well, the culturally accepted mannerisms of a woman.

I don’t believe one’s mannerisms should be the deciding factor on which gender they should be accepted as.

So, on what objective deciding factor should someone be accepted as being a gender?

When it comes to normal day to day interactions with people, there is none. Its none of our business. For situations where we need to be sure a transgender person is being truthful, for example determining if a convict who claims to be transgender is doing so because they are vs trying to get into a gender specific prison for nefarious reasons, a psych eval.

Of course it is “our” business.

A mother needs a baby sitter for her 12 year old girl. She does not want a person with a penis.

What’s between a person’s legs doesn’t determine if someone is a good babysitter or not nor do people who hire babysitters routinely check their genitals. You hire a babysitter based on recommendations and feedback from previous parents they have babysat for or sometimes a child of a friend you trust.

The bolded:
You speak of the past…before pervert men began pretending to be women and were empowered to do so by laws and a culture that would punish anyone who questioned the authenticity of the supposed gender.

The unbolded: sometimes true sometimes not and irrelevant since many people who could intend a horrific crime play “good” for a time.

I speak of the now. Sexual assault is still against the law. You should always do a background check before hiring a baby sitter. If you hire a stranger and don’t check with previous parents they have babysat for then you are asking for trouble regardless of their sex, gender, or genitalia. Assuming a person isn’t dangerous simply because they are biologically female is foolish. Women can hurt children too.

Well they can, but there is a rather large difference in the percentage who do when compared with males.

[fallenturtle]

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

But should you be accepted as a real woman merely because you desire to affect, however badly or well, the culturally accepted mannerisms of a woman.

I don’t believe one’s mannerisms should be the deciding factor on which gender they should be accepted as.

So, on what objective deciding factor should someone be accepted as being a gender?

When it comes to normal day to day interactions with people, there is none. Its none of our business. For situations where we need to be sure a transgender person is being truthful, for example determining if a convict who claims to be transgender is doing so because they are vs trying to get into a gender specific prison for nefarious reasons, a psych eval.

Of course it is “our” business.

A mother needs a baby sitter for her 12 year old girl. She does not want a person with a penis.

What’s between a person’s legs doesn’t determine if someone is a good babysitter or not nor do people who hire babysitters routinely check their genitals. You hire a babysitter based on recommendations and feedback from previous parents they have babysat for or sometimes a child of a friend you trust.

The bolded:
You speak of the past…before pervert men began pretending to be women and were empowered to do so by laws and a culture that would punish anyone who questioned the authenticity of the supposed gender.

The unbolded: sometimes true sometimes not and irrelevant since many people who could intend a horrific crime play “good” for a time.

I speak of the now. Sexual assault is still against the law. You should always do a background check before hiring a baby sitter. If you hire a stranger and don’t check with previous parents they have babysat for then you are asking for trouble regardless of their sex, gender, or genitalia. Assuming a person isn’t dangerous simply because they are biologically female is foolish. Women can hurt children too.

Well they can, but there is a rather large difference in the percentage who do when compared with males.

The fact that they can shows that you shouldn’t choose your babysitter on whether or not they have a penis. A responsible parent will get references and check those references.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

But should you be accepted as a real woman merely because you desire to affect, however badly or well, the culturally accepted mannerisms of a woman.

I don’t believe one’s mannerisms should be the deciding factor on which gender they should be accepted as.

So, on what objective deciding factor should someone be accepted as being a gender?

When it comes to normal day to day interactions with people, there is none. Its none of our business. For situations where we need to be sure a transgender person is being truthful, for example determining if a convict who claims to be transgender is doing so because they are vs trying to get into a gender specific prison for nefarious reasons, a psych eval.

Of course it is “our” business.

A mother needs a baby sitter for her 12 year old girl. She does not want a person with a penis.

What’s between a person’s legs doesn’t determine if someone is a good babysitter or not nor do people who hire babysitters routinely check their genitals. You hire a babysitter based on recommendations and feedback from previous parents they have babysat for or sometimes a child of a friend you trust.

The bolded:
You speak of the past…before pervert men began pretending to be women and were empowered to do so by laws and a culture that would punish anyone who questioned the authenticity of the supposed gender.

The unbolded: sometimes true sometimes not and irrelevant since many people who could intend a horrific crime play “good” for a time.

I speak of the now. Sexual assault is still against the law. You should always do a background check before hiring a baby sitter. If you hire a stranger and don’t check with previous parents they have babysat for then you are asking for trouble regardless of their sex, gender, or genitalia. Assuming a person isn’t dangerous simply because they are biologically female is foolish. Women can hurt children too.

Well they can, but there is a rather large difference in the percentage who do when compared with males.

The fact that they can shows that you shouldn’t choose your babysitter on whether or not they have a penis. A responsible parent will get references and check those references.

People such as yourself would give a man pretending to be a woman a glowing reference.

[fallenturtle]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@zantax

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Call_me_Ishmael

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

But should you be accepted as a real woman merely because you desire to affect, however badly or well, the culturally accepted mannerisms of a woman.

I don’t believe one’s mannerisms should be the deciding factor on which gender they should be accepted as.

So, on what objective deciding factor should someone be accepted as being a gender?

When it comes to normal day to day interactions with people, there is none. Its none of our business. For situations where we need to be sure a transgender person is being truthful, for example determining if a convict who claims to be transgender is doing so because they are vs trying to get into a gender specific prison for nefarious reasons, a psych eval.

Of course it is “our” business.

A mother needs a baby sitter for her 12 year old girl. She does not want a person with a penis.

What’s between a person’s legs doesn’t determine if someone is a good babysitter or not nor do people who hire babysitters routinely check their genitals. You hire a babysitter based on recommendations and feedback from previous parents they have babysat for or sometimes a child of a friend you trust.

The bolded:
You speak of the past…before pervert men began pretending to be women and were empowered to do so by laws and a culture that would punish anyone who questioned the authenticity of the supposed gender.

The unbolded: sometimes true sometimes not and irrelevant since many people who could intend a horrific crime play “good” for a time.

I speak of the now. Sexual assault is still against the law. You should always do a background check before hiring a baby sitter. If you hire a stranger and don’t check with previous parents they have babysat for then you are asking for trouble regardless of their sex, gender, or genitalia. Assuming a person isn’t dangerous simply because they are biologically female is foolish. Women can hurt children too.

Well they can, but there is a rather large difference in the percentage who do when compared with males.

The fact that they can shows that you shouldn’t choose your babysitter on whether or not they have a penis. A responsible parent will get references and check those references.

People such as yourself would give a man pretending to be a woman a glowing reference.

Not if they were pretending.

[Paul_Thomson]

@fallenturtle

How can a prison be sex specific if they allow transgender people to be housed based on their gender and not genetic sex?

OK. Gender responsive prisons and gender specific prisons as terms used re prisons are segregated and programmed to cater to the differences between the sexes. You are referring to gender bias being catered to. I assumed that after the first few female prison rapes by men pretending to be women, the prison system has knocked that idea on the head. But maybe it still happens in some woke-run experimental prisons.

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

How can a prison be sex specific if they allow transgender people to be housed based on their gender and not genetic sex?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-specific_prison_programming_in_the_United_States&ved=2ahUKEwi98rCn5fv2AhW77XMBHWTxBRYQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0-PfKhSE0884ziToO0RqHl

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-responsive_prisons&ved=2ahUKEwi98rCn5fv2AhW77XMBHWTxBRYQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0A1f--ObUwGRVz-BnylCcX

OK. Gender responsive prisons and gender specific prisons as terms used re prisons are segregated and programmed to cater to the differences between the sexes. You are referring to gender bias being catered to. I assumed that after the first few female prison rapes by men pretending to be women, the prison system has knocked that idea on the head. But maybe it still happens in some woke-run experimental prisons.

Which do you think happens more often: a transgender woman is raped by male inmates or a transgender woman rapes a female inmate?

[Paul_Thomson]

@fallenturtle

Which do you think happens more often: a transgender woman is raped by male inmates or a transgender woman rapes a female inmate?

I think males are raped via any available orifice in male prisons, whether they are transgender or not. I don’t know how common lesbian rape is in female prisons, or whether it’s even a thing. Do you?
I know self-identifying feminine males in female prisons have raped women in the prison using their penis, which doesn’t sound very female behaviour to me.

[Piper]

@fallenturtle

Nobody is claiming gender determines one’s biological sex.

I think they should use another word other than ‘gender.’

The Oxford Etymological Dictionary of the English Language of 1882 defined gender as kind, breed, sex, derived from the Latin ablative case of genus, like genere natus, which refers to birth.

I think varying from this list should not be called woman. Find another word.

They have XX chromosomes.

They were born with a uterus and ovaries.

They have menstrual ovarian cycles.

They can give birth to another human being.

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

@fallenturtle

Which do you think happens more often: a transgender woman is raped by male inmates or a transgender woman rapes a female inmate?

I think males are raped via any available orifice in male prisons, whether they are transgender or not. I don’t know how common lesbian rape is in female prisons, or whether it’s even a thing. Do you?
I know self-identifying feminine males in female prisons have raped women in the prison using their penis, which doesn’t sound very female behavior to me.

Yes, women can rape both men and women.

I think an issue here is that you are assume a transgender woman is more likely to be the victimizer than the victim.

[fallenturtle]

@Piper

@fallenturtle

Nobody is claiming gender determines one’s biological sex.

I think they should use another word other than ‘gender.’

The Oxford Etymological Dictionary of the English Language of 1882 defined gender as kind, breed, sex, derived from the Latin ablative case of genus, like genere natus, which refers to birth.

Sorry, but that boat sailed almost half a century ago.

I think varying from this list should not be called woman. Find another word.

They have XX chromosomes.

They were born with a uterus and ovaries.

They have menstrual ovarian cycles.

They can give birth to another human being.

So a woman who does menstruate and/or is barren shouldn’t be called a woman?

[Paul_Thomson]

@fallenturtle

Yes, women can rape both men and women.

So, are biological women raped by other biological women in women’s prisons? What percentage of biogically female prisoners are raped by other biologically female prisoners?

@fallenturtle

I think an issue here is that you are assume a transgender woman is more likely to be the victimizer than the victim.

No. I don’t think a woman who prefers to exhibit masculine traits is more likely to be the victimized than the victim.

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

So, are biological women raped by other biological women in women’s prisons? What percentage of biogically female prisoners are raped by other biologically female prisoners?

Yes.

Hard to say as sexual assault is under reported.

Inmate-on-Inmate Sexual Coercion

The first data on sexual coercion among female inmates came from 1994 and 1998 studies, both by Struckman-Johnson.[83] Within their studies, coercion was defined as pressured or forced sexual contact of an inmate within a prison facility. The researchers found that sexual coercion rates reported by female inmates varied among institutions from 6–19%.[84] Incidents described by the women, were classified by the researchers. The sexual coercion ranged from “pressure tactics” and genital touching to “force tactics” such as gang rape. Rape rates for women varied from 0 - 5% of the female offender population. Thus, most of the sexual coercion incidents were committed by other women offenders who fondled, seduced, or somehow pressured women inmates into oral and/or vaginal sex.[85]

https://mcasa.org/providers/resources-on-specific-topics/prea/prea-resources-and-webinars/under

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

No. I don’t think a woman who prefers to exhibit masculine traits is more likely to be the victimized than the victim.

I said “transgender women” not “transgender men”.

[Piper]

@fallenturtle

So a woman who does menstruate and/or is barren shouldn’t be called a woman?

This is pretty easy.

A man doesn’t have any of these woman parts and natural functions.

[fallenturtle]

@Piper

@fallenturtle

So a woman who does menstruate and/or is barren shouldn’t be called a woman?

This is pretty easy.

A man doesn’t have any of these woman parts and natural functions.

I see, so your list wasn’t a list of prereqs to be called a woman, but instead a list of traits that a biological man could not have. The thing is that transgender people aren’t referring to themselves as men or women based on these traits as those are biological sex traits and not gender traits, which are limited to the brain.

[Piper]

@fallenturtle

I see, so your list wasn’t a list of prereqs to be called a woman, but instead a list of traits that a biological man could not have. The thing is that transgender people aren’t referring to themselves as men or women based on these traits as those are biological sex traits and not gender traits, which are limited to the brain.

Everybody is out of step but my Johnny.

[Paul_Thomson]

@fallenturtle

@Paul_Thomson

No. I don’t think a woman who prefers to exhibit masculine traits is more likely to be the victimized than the victim.

I said “transgender women” not “transgender men

Exactly. And the logical meaning of transgender women is a biological woman (since woman is a biological term) who prefers to exhibit masculine cultural traits since socially constructed cultural traits identify a person’s gender preference.

I refuse to pander to your false semantic inversion of reality.

[fallenturtle]

@Paul_Thomson

Exactly. And the logical meaning of transgender women is a biological woman (since woman is a biological term) who prefers to exhibit masculine cultural traits since socially constructed cultural traits identify a person’s gender preference.

You’re making up your own terms and definitions counter to whats used by transgender people, their supporters, mainstream media, sociologists, psychologists, and other mental health experts.

Even “who prefers to exhibit masculine cultural traits” is inaccurate since its not about exhibiting traits. You can have a transgender man who exhibits female cultural traits.

@Paul_Thomson

I refuse to pander to your false semantic inversion of reality.

It’s not mine. I didn’t create these terms nor do I dictate their usage. But I doubt the rest of society is going to pander to your terms and definitions either.

[fallenturtle]

@Piper

@fallenturtle

I see, so your list wasn’t a list of prereqs to be called a woman, but instead a list of traits that a biological man could not have. The thing is that transgender people aren’t referring to themselves as men or women based on these traits as those are biological sex traits and not gender traits, which are limited to the brain.

Everybody is out of step but my Johnny.

Please, its Joan now.