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@H_Arendt

@RTchoke

Do tou think that matters to those wanting to ban guns? That’s never one of the criteria or even considered.

Since almost no one wants to “ban guns” your question is moot.

I strongly favor gun rights for people who use guns responsibly. But common sense solutions to reduce violence such as banning gun ownership by those with domestic violence restraining orders or those on the terrorism watchlist always get buried under cries of "you are trying to ban guns.’

My worry is that the intransigence of the 2nd Amendment absolutists in the face of common sense regulations that have broad support will eventually lead to broader restrictions than I want – or you want – as the public becomes increasingly incensed over inaction in the face of daily mass shootings.

Yeah, who needs pesky due process.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

You’re welcome to argue whatever you wish, but I was not arguing for originalism, I was pointing out that it is not consistently deployed

[Guvnah]

Round and round and round we go.

Same old talking points.

For the sake of argument, what restrictions would have prevented the last 5 or so mass shootings.

[EternalVigilance]

@Guvnah

For the sake of argument, what restrictions would have prevented the last 5 or so mass shootings.

You’ll get nothing other than tap dancing around what they actually want - national disarmament. Every single time a concession is offered, they immediately demand more, something the idiot Republicans who passed gun legislation last year were incapable of figuring out. Joe Biden seems to believe that the AR-15 is the only gun sold in America.

[Munimula1]

So given the events of the past few days, I am wondering what you all think.

1.Should undocumented people have the same rights as US Citizens to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

2. Should a mentally ill person, who reportedly “Also has drug use conviction, a failure to appear and a revocation of probation.” have the right to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

[H_Arendt]

@EternalVigilance

You’ll get nothing other than tap dancing around what they actually want - national disarmament. Every single time a concession is offered, they immediately demand more, something the idiot Republicans who passed gun legislation last year were incapable of figuring out. Joe Biden seems to believe that the AR-15 is the only gun sold in America.

What people want is clear and none of it is nataionl disarmament.

First step: require background checks on ALL sales, close the gun show loop hole

Second step: add restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, starting with people who have domestic violence restraining orders.

Pretending that every action is going to lead to confiscation or that action can only be taken if it stops every instance of gun violence are simply ways to insist on doing nothing.

[Steel-W0LF]

@Munimula1

So given the events of the past few days, I am wondering what you all think.

1.Should undocumented people have the same rights as US Citizens to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

2. Should a mentally ill person, who reportedly “Also has drug use conviction, a failure to appear and a revocation of probation.” have the right to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

Are they US citizens?

If not then no, they don’t even have a “right” to stand on the square foot of land their feet occupy.

[RTchoke]

How are you going to take away guns and police the gangs etc.? I notice you choose to only restrict those easy to control.

Man up and tke care of that first. Then we can ll talk again and tell you, you are still wrong.

[Steel-W0LF]

@H_Arendt

@EternalVigilance

You’ll get nothing other than tap dancing around what they actually want - national disarmament. Every single time a concession is offered, they immediately demand more, something the idiot Republicans who passed gun legislation last year were incapable of figuring out. Joe Biden seems to believe that the AR-15 is the only gun sold in America.

What people want is clear and none of it is nataionl disarmament.

First step: require background checks on ALL sales, close the gun show loop hole

Second step: add restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, starting with people who have domestic violence restraining orders.

Pretending that every action is going to lead to confiscation or that action can only be taken if it stops every instance of gun violence are simply ways to insist on doing nothing.

This is why we give up debating you leftists and just say “NO!”

First: there is NO gun show loop hole. No matter how many times some nitwit politician says those words. There are private sales…… and FFL sales. ALL FFL sales have a background check. And unless some dude is standing in the parking lot of the gun show, it’s an FFL and therefore has a background check.

Until you guys show even the slightest inkling of learning the basics about the topic, conversation is a worthless endeavor.

[conan]

@EternalVigilance

You’ll get nothing other than tap dancing around what they actually want - national disarmament.

Precisely…they will outright lie, deceive and piss all over the Constitution to achieve that end goal. They cannot be trusted with our freedoms.

[OldandtiredX]

There are already laws that make it illegal for the mentally ill or illegals to have guns in the United States. Like you have been told if you disarm the legal gun owners only the criminals will have guns. Now what super-duper law are you going to pass to make criminals obey you?

[Guvnah]

@Munimula1

1.Should undocumented people have the same rights as US Citizens to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

Absolutely not.

They are breaking the law as it is.

@Munimula1

Should a mentally ill person, who reportedly “Also has drug use conviction, a failure to appear and a revocation of probation.” have the right to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

My understanding is that this is what background checks are for (among other reason.) And absolutely no. Such a person should be denied the right to own arms. (I would even extend that beyond firearms.)

[Guvnah]

@H_Arendt

Pretending that every action is going to lead to confiscation or that action can only be taken if it stops every instance of gun violence are simply ways to insist on doing nothing.

I’d like action to prevent ANY gun violence.

The question was asked: What restrictions would have prevented the last 5 or so mass shootings. I’d even settle for something that would have prevented ANY of them.

You’re just dancing around that question. And you know why.

[Steel-W0LF]

@Guvnah

@Munimula1

1.Should undocumented people have the same rights as US Citizens to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

Absolutely not.

They are breaking the law as it is.

@Munimula1

Should a mentally ill person, who reportedly “Also has drug use conviction, a failure to appear and a revocation of probation.” have the right to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

My understanding is that this is what background checks are for (among other reason.) And absolutely no. Such a person should be denied the right to own arms. (I would even extend that beyond firearms.)

That’s the one change I could get behind.

Change some HIPPA laws so psychiatrists could report folks they don’t think are capable of owning a firearm. It should still have to go to a judge, but someone needs to start the process.

The down side to this is: it would make it more likely that folks choose not to get mental health care.

[Guvnah]

@Steel-W0LF

The down side to this is: it would make it more likely that folks choose not to get mental health care.

Each proposal has a downside. Some are stretches, and some are quite possible.

I have interest in red flag laws. In many of these shootings, we get quotes from people who knew the assailant. “He was nasty.” “I tried to stay away from him.” “He was always talking about stuff like this.” Etc. (Of course there are also the requisite quotes from family members who tell us what a nice boy he was…)

People know stuff. People are afraid to speak up. Red Flags are meant to bring this stuff to light before it’s too late.

But there is a HUGE downside in the risk of it being abused. Revenge. Pranks. SWATting. Even political abuse.

I wish there were a way to implement it with the risks minimized.

[Steel-W0LF]

@Guvnah

@Steel-W0LF

The down side to this is: it would make it more likely that folks choose not to get mental health care.

Each proposal has a downside. Some are stretches, and some are quite possible.

I have interest in red flag laws. In many of these shootings, we get quotes from people who knew the assailant. “He was nasty.” “I tried to stay away from him.” “He was always talking about stuff like this.” Etc. (Of course there are also the requisite quotes from family members who tell us what a nice boy he was…)

People know stuff. People are afraid to speak up. Red Flags are meant to bring this stuff to light before it’s too late.

But there is a HUGE downside in the risk of it being abused. Revenge. Pranks. SWATting. Even political abuse.

I wish there were a way to implement it with the risks minimized.

To me the problem with the red flag laws is the removal of the right before the court hearing.

Expedite that process and I think a lot of the problems go away.

[Guvnah]

@Steel-W0LF

To me the problem with the red flag laws

Yeah, I was just giving an example, and a downside to it. You give another. The action that results from a red flag report is rooted in a presumption of guilt.

[OldandtiredX]

There is a way for there to be no downside. If it is proven that the person was not a threat than the person doing the reporting will pay all the accuses legal fees and will pay a hefty fine plus jail time.

[EternalVigilance]

@H_Arendt

What people want is clear and none of it is nataionl disarmament.

First step: require background checks on ALL sales, close the gun show loop hole

Second step: add restrictions to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, starting with people who have domestic violence restraining orders.

Pretending that every action is going to lead to confiscation or that action can only be taken if it stops every instance of gun violence are simply ways to insist on doing nothing.

Your side is not to be trust whatsoever on this issue.

[Munimula1]

@Steel-W0LF

@Munimula1

So given the events of the past few days, I am wondering what you all think.

1.Should undocumented people have the same rights as US Citizens to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

2. Should a mentally ill person, who reportedly “Also has drug use conviction, a failure to appear and a revocation of probation.” have the right to keep and bear arms, with no questions asked?

Are they US citizens?

If not then no, they don’t even have a “right” to stand on the square foot of land their feet occupy.

So, you’d support having to show proof of citizenship when buying. gun?