Asylum seekers must stay in Mexico

DougBH · 2021-12-01T23:39:34.366Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

. People sneaking across the border are illegal.

Yes they are, until they apply for asylum.

When they do that their status becomes asylum seeker.

It’s really is that simple.

Allan

Entering the US at a time or place not designated is a misdemeanor the first time, so it is still a crime. The misdemeanor doesn’t go away because you applied for asylum after you were caught.

biggestal99 · 2021-12-02T12:50:18.107Z

Samm:

The law says the are either supposed to make their claim at an official entry point or be in the country legally when they make their claim.

Nope the law clearly states. One must present themselves at an official point of entry OR be located in the United States.

Hence the asylum claims once caught by ICE in the United States.

Completely above board.

Allan

Samm · 2021-12-02T23:28:45.374Z

Repeating it does not change your misconception as to what “located in the United States” means. It means being here legally, not being here after slipping across the border illegally.

DougBH · 2021-12-03T04:04:56.740Z

By the way:
“Mexico and the U.S. are expected to announce that they reached an agreement to restart the controversial “Remain in Mexico” program that will look “fairly close” to the version during the Trump administration, a report said.”

biggestal99 · 2021-12-03T09:59:16.421Z

Samm:

Repeating it does not change your misconception as to what “located in the United States” means. It means being here legally, not being here after slipping across the border illegally

Nope. Incorrect.

Anyone located in the United States can claim.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-12-03T10:00:06.348Z

DougBH:

By the way:
“Mexico and the U.S. are expected to announce that they reached an agreement to restart the controversial “Remain in Mexico” program that will look “fairly close” to the version during the Trump administration, a report said.”

As long as it doesn’t effect unaccompanied minors.

Allan

Ben_Natuf · 2021-12-03T10:51:53.307Z

completely and irrivocably false. to legally apply for asylum you must show yourself at a port of entry or be in the country legally. illegal entry is a bar against seeking asylum

Ben_Natuf · 2021-12-03T10:53:44.772Z

send them back to their parents in their home country or to the dss in their home country, they are niether our problem nor our responsibility

biggestal99 · 2021-12-03T10:58:28.785Z

Ben_Natuf:

completely and irrivocably false. to legally apply for asylum you must show yourself at a port of entry or be in the country legally. illegal entry is a bar against seeking asylum

You don’t even know asylum law. Tsk. Tsk

USCIS – 13 Sep 23

Obtaining Asylum in the United States | USCIS

ALERT: Court Order on Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final Rule On Aug

“Defensive Asylum Processing with EOIR
A defensive application for asylum occurs when you request asylum as a defense against removal from the United States. For asylum processing to be defensive, you must be in removal proceedings in immigration court with the Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR).

Individuals are generally placed into defensive asylum processing in one of two ways:

They are referred to an immigration judge by USCIS after they have been determined to be ineligible for asylum at the end of the affirmative asylum process, or
They are placed in removal proceedings because they:
Were apprehended in the United States or at a U.S. port of entry without proper legal documents or in violation of their immigration status; or
Were apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) trying to enter the United States without proper documentation, were placed in the expedited removal process, and were found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture by an asylum officer. See Questions & Answers: Credible Fear Screenings for more information on the credible fear process.“

In deportation hearing
Claim asylum

See how easy that was.

Allan

Ben_Natuf · 2021-12-03T11:15:51.024Z

reading is your friend, you should learn to do it, and maybe even understand what you read. i didn’t say they couldn’t claim it, i said it was a bar to claiming asylum, and it is. it is considered prima facia that what they came here for was not asylum. it is a bar to the claim, one they have great difficulty overcoming as the burden shifts completely onto them to prove their claim is not fraudulent.

legal asylum seekers have to prove their claim is credible
illegals have to prove its not fraudulent and then show its credible

that was one of the changes trump made, as far as i know, brandon has not undone it

WuWei · 2021-12-03T12:33:06.946Z

DougBH:

By the way:
“Mexico and the U.S. are expected to announce that they reached an agreement to restart the controversial “Remain in Mexico” program that will look “fairly close” to the version during the Trump administration, a report said.”

Remember when that was racist?

biggestal99 · 2021-12-03T16:43:30.015Z

Ben_Natuf:

i said it was a bar to claiming asylum, and it is

It is not. People have claimed asylum via the defensive claims and it was granted.

Not saying that is not a strike against but it does not bar granting asylum.

Allan

Samm · 2021-12-03T21:56:17.015Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

Repeating it does not change your misconception as to what “located in the United States” means. It means being here legally, not being here after slipping across the border illegally

Nope. Incorrect.

Anyone located in the United States can claim.

The key word is “legally.” if you come in illegally, you can be immediately deported and file your claim for asylum at an official entry crossing like the law requires.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-12-04T00:28:01.367Z

playing word games and editting out the rest of the post to make it appear i said something i did not is NOT beneath you.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2021-12-04T00:32:10.035Z

Samm:

So you have declared them asylum seekers without even investigating their claims. Of course why should you investigate … none of them would lie, right?

They are asylum seekers, whether or not they are granted asylum.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-12-04T00:37:41.674Z

and yet you have no idea whether or not they even have a claim in process.

wierd, i know

biggestal99 · 2021-12-04T00:39:06.839Z

Samm:

The key word is “legally.” if you come in illegally, you can be immediately deported and file your claim for asylum at an official entry crossing like the law requires.

During the deportation hearing, you can claim asylum defensively.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-12-04T00:41:26.747Z

Ben_Natuf:

playing word games and editting out the rest of the post to make it appear i said something i did not is NOT beneath you.

You words come back and bite you. You said they bar it. It does not. Anyone located in the United states can claim asylum.

Allan

Samm · 2021-12-04T03:01:38.524Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

Samm:

So you have declared them asylum seekers without even investigating their claims. Of course why should you investigate … none of them would lie, right?

They are asylum seekers, whether or not they are granted asylum.

Yeah, and if wishes were horses then beggars would ride. The fact remains, by law, they are supposed to either be in the country legally when they request asylum or do so at an official point of entry when they enter the country. Just because the Administration has cut them slack does not make the law void.

Samm · 2021-12-04T03:04:07.925Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

The key word is “legally.” if you come in illegally, you can be immediately deported and file your claim for asylum at an official entry crossing like the law requires.

During the deportation hearing, you can claim asylum defensively.

Yep they can. That doesn’t rebut anything I’ve posted.