Arizona republican tears apart the "audit"

[sikofit]

So then you would wait to see how BLM performed at their duties before complaining? Its a pretty straightforward question. Either you would wait to see how BLM performed as police officers or you wouldn’t

[enki]

This is like the Mike Lindell documentaries. Have many more will he release before his believers start questioning his motives and/or mental well being?

[sikofit]

@Ben_Natuf

until then, there are issues. issues which need to be taken into account when looking at the work product.

There are issues with modern policing too. We should hire BLM to investigate the matter and need to wait to see their report before we can criticize the report, the group or their methodology.

That is the argument you are presenting here

[tzu]

I submit that the Moonies still exist, so…

[sikofit]

@enki

This is like the Mike Lindell documentaries. Have many more will he release before his believers start questioning his motives and/or mental well being.

I saw a news piece last night that discussed how the GOP is worried that Trumpism is costing them to lose out on an entire generation of talent. That there is absolutely no incentive to run for anyone that isn’t a diehard populist themselves

[Ben_Natuf]

it appears to me that many large metros have, no investigation or report necessary.

if a city were stupid enough to do so. i might critique the hiring, i wouldn’t have much to say about a non existent report. are there things i might expect from it? sure i might even say what i expect and why. still wouldn’t say the actual report is garbage before i saw it. who knows, they may have some salient points. almost no doubt.

by the way, i have not once said you, or anyone else, was not free to criticize anything you wish. i have said from the beginning and maintain, i will judge the report when i see it. why is that such a problem?

[JayJay]

@sikofit

@enki

This is like the Mike Lindell documentaries. Have many more will he release before his believers start questioning his motives and/or mental well being.

I saw a news piece last night that discussed how the GOP is worried that Trumpism is costing them to lose out on an entire generation of talent. That there is absolutely no incentive to run for anyone that isn’t a diehard populist themselves

I’m finding that out right now.

[sikofit]

@Ben_Natuf

it appears to me that many large metros have, no investigation or report necessary.

if a city were stupid enough to do so. i might critique the hiring, i wouldn’t have much to say about a non existent report. are there things i might expect from it? sure i might even say what i expect and why. still wouldn’t say the actual report is garbage before i saw it. who knows, they may have some salient points. almost no doubt.

by the way, i have not once said you, or anyone else, was not free to criticize anything you wish. i have said from the beginning and maintain, i will judge the report when i see it. why is that such a problem?

Fair enough, I respect that. And when the House announces a Special Commitee investigation into January 6th you’ll wait until it’s completed to criticize it? Even if the Commitee was chaired by someone like AOC who has an obvious bias?

[enki]

@JayJay

@sikofit

@enki

This is like the Mike Lindell documentaries. Have many more will he release before his believers start questioning his motives and/or mental well being.

I saw a news piece last night that discussed how the GOP is worried that Trumpism is costing them to lose out on an entire generation of talent. That there is absolutely no incentive to run for anyone that isn’t a diehard populist themselves

I’m finding that out right now.

yep.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/01/trump-lost-generation-491474

[Ben_Natuf]

investigate away. i know what i might expect, would likely say so, but like now, will have nothing to say about the actual non existent report.

[PurpnGold]

@Ben_Natuf

investigate away. i know what i might expect, would likely say so, but like now, will have nothing to say about the actual non existent report.

Not a single person in this thread has commented on a non existent report. You are arguing against your own strawman.

What we are simply saying is the work of this team is tainting the process, which was also admitted by republicans overseeing their activities. We are also saying they don’t have the experience to conduct this type of audit.

That’s it

[Ben_Natuf]

i guess reading ain’t your thing.

[PurpnGold]

@Ben_Natuf

i guess reading ain’t your thing.

Who commented on a non existent report?

[LeroyBrown]

@Ben_Natuf

is there a problem with looking?

None whatsoever. You do realize that with the way this group doing the looking and all the problems they have had so far, there is no chance anyone will take the results seriously outside of those that already believe that Former President Trump won and the election was stolen.

[Ben_Natuf]

then what are you arguing about? I have maintained from the beginning that I will judge the report when I see it, and you all have been arguing against that. When should I judge it? If you’re not arguing that I should not wait to judge the report until I see it… what exactly are you arguing? Have I ever said they were qualified? no. Have I ever said they were unbiased? No, in fact I acknowledge that. Have I suggested that I expect them to blow it by overstating the result? Why yes, yes I have. So what exactly is the problem with waiting for the report before I judge whats in it?

[Ben_Natuf]

people are free to pre believe whatever they wish.

I will look at the report and the evidence and decide for myself. whether or not people are willing to either accept the facts and evidence or reject them has no bearing on whether or not they are facts and evidence.

[PurpnGold]

@Ben_Natuf

then what are you arguing about?

Good question. You seem to be arguing against a strawman you created.

@Ben_Natuf

what exactly are you arguing?

Simply that the investigation is tainted. We are speculating that the report will also be tainted. The transitive property.

[JayJay]

@Ben_Natuf

then what are you arguing about? I have maintained from the beginning that I will judge the report when I see it, and you all have been arguing against that. When should I judge it? If you’re not arguing that I should not wait to judge the report until I see it… what exactly are you arguing? Have I ever said they were qualified? no. Have I ever said they were unbiased? No, in fact I acknowledge that. Have I suggested that I expect them to blow it by overstating the result? Why yes, yes I have. So what exactly is the problem with waiting for the report before I judge whats in it?

No- we are arguing you are deflecting away from commenting on the terrible way the “audit” has been conducted by a biased team of unqualified people.

As if “waiting for the final report” somehow proves your objectivity…when actually it proves the reverse.

[hwyflier]

@hwyflier

Wasn’t that supposed to be last month?

@Ben_Natuf

i have no idea. all i know is i’m not going to prejudge the work product

[moonshine]

the arizona secretary of state is documenting online problem with the “audit” including auditors using black and blu epens which are specifically banned since they can be used to change ballot.

its gotten to the point that the ballots are now irrevocably compromised. even if the state wanted to do a real audit instead of this sham it wouldn’t be able to since the integrity of the ballots has been breached.

https://azsos.gov/about-office/media-center/documents/coliseum-observer-notes-2021