Are young vaccinated adults driving the Omicron outbreaks?

WuWei · 2021-12-17T17:08:34.900Z

Oryx:

WuWei:

You don’t need compliance from biologists.

No, we need biologists and government officials to do a better job communicating and encouraging compliance. I don’t blame people for being wary of the vaccines, especially amidst the mixed messages we’ve received since the pandemic started.

Good conversation, thanks

Liberty323 · 2021-12-17T17:16:32.934Z

Jezcoe:

Here is the daily dose of why the vaccine doesn’t work from people who are themselves vaccinated.

Pretty wild.

Still unjabbed here.

zantax · 2021-12-17T17:17:56.825Z

WuWei:

The “vaccine”, as has been stated, is a prophylactic therapeutic. But there’s nothing wrong with that.

Eventually we are all going to test positive. The virus is going to run its course.

If you tested positive and your doctor prescribed you an anti-viral to help you recover quicker and with less effects, would you refuse it? Of course not.

So why refuse it now? Because they called it a “vaccine”? That’s a bit silly.

If I know I’m going into a gunfight, do I refuse the offer of additional magazines? Or do I do everything I can to give myself the best odds of surviving?

I oppose mandates. But they shouldn’t be necessary. I have to wonder at the cognitive ability of someone who turns down free ammo before a fight.

That has to be weighed against your specific risk of catching covid, of having a bad outcome if you do, and the risk of an experimental vaccine with no data on long-term risk. That calculation varies widely across individuals and various age groups. The only responsible advice to anyone on the subject is to consult your physician and make your own individual choice.

WuWei · 2021-12-17T17:18:54.458Z

You will catch COVID.

Why gamble?

Bill.in.PA · 2021-12-17T17:19:59.872Z

I base my decisions on data not pronouncements from Dr. Science Incarnate.

The FDA demand to delay the release the data that has been the basis of the vaccine approvals for decades reeks of a cover up. I suspect the damage from the vaccines is far greater than Big Pharma and their pals at the FDA are willing to admit.

zerohedge.com

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

The refusal of vaccine makers to sell or even donate vaccines overseas without a liability exemption is another red flag.

Reuters – 16 Dec 21

Refugees lack COVID shots because drugmakers fear lawsuits, documents show

Tens of millions of migrants may be denied COVID-19 vaccines from a global programme because some major manufacturers are worried about legal risks from harmful side effects, according to officials and internal documents from Gavi, the charity...

If the vaccines are so safe, then why are the makers so paranoid about liability?

If the data is so overwhelming for the safety, why not release it?

zantax · 2021-12-17T17:20:00.516Z

WuWei:

Bill.in.PA:

I don’t. Given how infectious it is and the minimal effectiveness of the shots that I got, there is a high probability that I will get Omicron along with practically everyone else.

The best case is that will get it and not even know that I have had it. I see no reason to get a booster shot to protect from a cold.

Agreed, so why not give yourself the best chance to win when you do get it?

You have seen evidence that the booster improves those chances against omicron? Because I haven’t. I have seen evidence it can afford a small window of greater protection against catching it.

WuWei · 2021-12-17T17:22:54.643Z

zantax:

You have seen evidence that the booster improves those chances against omicron? Because I haven’t. I have seen evidence it can afford a small window of greater protection against catching it.

No, I have evidence the vaccine improves outcomes with COVID.

How do you know you’ll get Omicron?

zantax · 2021-12-17T17:22:57.224Z

WuWei:

Bill.in.PA:

On the hand, the side effects and death rate from Omicron appears to be similar to those from the vaccines, and it is likely to give far better immunity.

How do you know you’ll get Omicron?

If acquired immunity from the disease is superior to vaccine immunity and you avoid getting omicron, are you better off if the next variant is deadlier?

zantax · 2021-12-17T17:24:33.972Z

WuWei:

zantax:

You have seen evidence that the booster improves those chances against omicron? Because I haven’t. I have seen evidence it can afford a small window of greater protection against catching it.

No, I have evidence the vaccine improves outcomes with COVID.

How do you know you’ll get Omicron?

We were speaking of the booster. I agree there is plenty of evidence of better outcomes against alpha and delta and I would assume at least some for omicron in regard to the vaccine. As for how you would know, we will be tracking its share of the market so to speak so that would depend on it’s level of success in supplanting earlier versions.

Roxiebelle · 2021-12-17T17:32:48.159Z

Jezcoe:

Here is the daily dose of why the vaccine doesn’t work from people who are themselves vaccinated.

Pretty wild.

Thats because Fauci and the Dems version of science is nothing but science fiction and junk science.

They completely leave out the science of herd & natural immunity as a way humans have overcome the multitudes of pandemics mankind has endured on this planet.

It’s insane and Fauci is the poster child for mad scientists around the globe.

Jezcoe · 2021-12-17T17:36:42.167Z

Roxiebelle:

Jezcoe:

Here is the daily dose of why the vaccine doesn’t work from people who are themselves vaccinated.

Pretty wild.

Thats because Fauci and the Dems version of science is nothing but science fiction and junk science.

They completely leave out the science of herd & natural immunity as a way humans have overcome the multitudes of pandemics mankind has endured on this planet.

It’s insane and Fauci is the poster child for mad scientists around the globe.

If Omicron is able to get around immunity gained through two shots of vaccine then what do you think will happen with “natural immunity”?

The information is looking like vaccination and booster offers good protection against omicron.

People should get vaccinated.

zantax · 2021-12-17T17:41:13.883Z

Jezcoe:

The information is looking like vaccination and booster offers good protection against omicron.

Do you have evidence the booster improves outcomes with omicron over a two-shot vaccine? Have a link?

Oh, and you really shouldn’t be giving out medical advice. It’s irresponsible and dangerous.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-12-17T17:44:34.736Z

Studies show that natural immunity is far better than that from the vaccines, but it is not 100% effective.

Most colds are coronaviruses, and they are highly infectious. Immunity is only temporary and new variants are constantly appearing. It is normal to get an occasional cold.

The rapid mutations and declining immune response also mean there are no cold vaccines. The natural evolution is for COVID to become just another cold virus.

Israel National News – 29 Aug 21

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot

Study based on Maccabi Health data finds that natural immunity based on prior infection offers considerably better protection than 2 doses.

medRxiv – 25 Aug 21

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity:...

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective...

Jezcoe · 2021-12-17T17:51:36.718Z

Bill.in.PA:

Studies show that natural immunity is far better than that from the vaccines, but it is not 100% effective.

Most colds are coronaviruses, and they are highly infectious. Immunity is only temporary and new variants are constantly appearing. It normal to get an occasional cold.

The rapid mutations and declining immune response also mean there are no cold vaccines. The natural evolution is for COVID to become just another cold virus.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/312637
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Those are studies involving the Delta Variant, not Omicron.

Later studies also started to throw some cold water on the assertions made by the Isreali studies.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention – 4 Nov 21

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized ...

This report describes mRNA COVID-19 vaccine recipients as having greater immunity from COVID-19 infection than previously infected, unvaccinated persons.

Jezcoe · 2021-12-17T17:52:48.607Z

zantax:

Jezcoe:

The information is looking like vaccination and booster offers good protection against omicron.

Do you have evidence the booster improves outcomes with omicron over a two-shot vaccine? Have a link?

Oh, and you really shouldn’t be giving out medical advice. It’s irresponsible and dangerous.

bbc.com

Booster at least 80% effective against severe Omicron

Preliminary estimates by researchers suggest the top-up shot should help keep many people out of hospital.

Funny about the medical advice complaint in one of the daily threads about how the vaccines don’t work.

WuWei · 2021-12-17T18:05:05.566Z

zantax:

If acquired immunity from the disease is superior to vaccine immunity and you avoid getting omicron, are you better off if the next variant is deadlier?

Omicron is 70% more contagious, how are you going to avoid getting it?

If the prophylactic therapeutic improves your resistance .0000001% over just acquired immunity, why would you not accept that extra magazine?

WuWei · 2021-12-17T18:07:01.973Z

zantax:

WuWei:

zantax:

You have seen evidence that the booster improves those chances against omicron? Because I haven’t. I have seen evidence it can afford a small window of greater protection against catching it.

No, I have evidence the vaccine improves outcomes with COVID.

How do you know you’ll get Omicron?

We were speaking of the booster. I agree there is plenty of evidence of better outcomes against alpha and delta and I would assume at least some for omicron in regard to the vaccine. As for how you would know, we will be tracking its share of the market so to speak so that would depend on it’s level of success in supplanting earlier versions.

Does resistance wane with time?

Right, an extrapolation. The truth is you won’t know.

WuWei · 2021-12-17T18:07:46.502Z

Roxiebelle:

Jezcoe:

Here is the daily dose of why the vaccine doesn’t work from people who are themselves vaccinated.

Pretty wild.

Thats because Fauci and the Dems version of science is nothing but science fiction and junk science.

They completely leave out the science of herd & natural immunity as a way humans have overcome the multitudes of pandemics mankind has endured on this planet.

It’s insane and Fauci is the poster child for mad scientists around the globe.

It is not junk science, it is public health science.

WuWei · 2021-12-17T18:08:20.092Z

Jezcoe:

If Omicron is able to get around immunity gained through two shots of vaccine then what do you think will happen with “natural immunity”?

That’s not science.

WuWei · 2021-12-17T18:08:59.805Z

zantax:

Do you have evidence the booster improves outcomes with omicron over a two-shot vaccine? Have a link?

Over COVID, not Omicron.