Are you left wing or right wing?

CanadianJudo · 2018-11-08T04:34:51.212Z

I’m talking about the political spectrum.

FlameHeart · 2018-11-08T04:44:51.991Z

“George Orwell’s books - especially Nineteen Eighty-Four and Animal Farm - are written against totalitarianism and also against Communism from the point of view of an ardent socialist.”

So he was against private property, but also against the government owning everything. He wanted the collective public to have everything. One can also imply from this definition that Orwell was somewhat of an Anarchist, Minarchist, or Libertarian, though which side is a mystery, because right-libertarianism (the stereotypical libertarianism) favors private property, while left-libertarianism is more like a proletariat-style of thinking. (I.e. Anarcho-Communism).

I suppose if one had to choose, he would be Libertarian-left, but he was clearly against Communism.

FlameHeart · 2018-11-08T04:46:08.364Z

All in all though, Libertarian-left is just as bad as it’s authoritarian cousin, as they both advocate for Socialism and no private property, seizing the success of those who are hardworking and giving it to the collective public who did nothing.

FlameHeart · 2018-11-08T04:48:25.806Z

I agree with you on contracts between government officials, evictions, and foreclosures. As well as permits (although you did not mention those I assume your argument encompasses those as well).

I cannot see myself agreeing on property rights as a whole though. Perhaps it is just my bias against broad-brushing. shrug

FlameHeart · 2018-11-08T04:53:01.725Z

They do, it’s just that their form of anarchy is to overthrow the current system of government and establish something that favors the collective. In my opinion. Libertarian-Right is pure anarchism- it has no ulterior motive, other than respect for the free market.

CanadianJudo · 2018-11-08T04:55:52.017Z

The issue with anarchism is it simply can’t exist, there has to be rules enforced by a governing body. if you look at the most free market system in the world crime even they have rules and regulation.

CanadianJudo · 2018-11-08T05:01:47.607Z

and the libertarian-right are the opposite they take the hard work labor of the poor and reward themselves. at the end of the day its the same authoritarianism the difference is the ideals of the person standing at the top.

society are a structured system you can’t break that, even today we are the most free we have ever been with mobility but the system still exists. there are those who are on top and those who are on the bottom.

Vigilante · 2018-11-08T05:06:34.625Z

Left

10 left

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T05:31:38.146Z

FlameHeart:

“George Orwell’s books - especially Nineteen Eighty-Four and Animal Farm - are written against totalitarianism and also against Communism from the point of view of an ardent socialist.”

So he was against private property, but also against the government owning everything. He wanted the collective public to have everything. One can also imply from this definition that Orwell was somewhat of an Anarchist, Minarchist, or Libertarian, though which side is a mystery, because right-libertarianism (the stereotypical libertarianism) favors private property, while left-libertarianism is more like a proletariat-style of thinking. (I.e. Anarcho-Communism).

I suppose if one had to choose, he would be Libertarian-left, but he was clearly against Communism.

What a slapdash ■■■■■■■■■■■ of thoughts.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T05:32:45.158Z

FlameHeart:

Libertarian-Right is pure anarchism- it has no ulterior motive, other than respect for the free market.

Which entails the exact sort of hierarchy that anarchists protest against.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T05:34:14.053Z

FlameHeart:

All in all though, Libertarian-left is just as bad as it’s authoritarian cousin, as they both advocate for Socialism and no private property, seizing the success of those who are hardworking and giving it to the collective public who did nothing.

Yes, that is exactly as bad as gulags, mass executions, forced labor, and population relocation. But please, carry on.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T05:35:47.771Z

Dissident_Aggressor:

I’m in the government can go ■■■■ itself wing. Is that right or left? Depends on the issue, I suppose.

I say the exact same thing when I see the cops pestering peaceful “squatters” for “trespassing”.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T05:37:22.514Z

FlameHeart:

They do, it’s just that their form of anarchy is to overthrow the current system of government and establish something that favors the collective. In my opinion. Libertarian-Right is pure anarchism- it has no ulterior motive, other than respect for the free market.

If you read what they write, they very clearly favor the “the individual” as opposed to “the collective”.

Dissident_Aggressor · 2018-11-08T06:19:50.588Z

Samson_Corwell:

I say the exact same thing when I see the cops pestering peaceful “squatters” for “trespassing”.

They are breaking the law. Then again, there are too many laws, and you can’t blame the cops for enforcing them.

This reminds me of the poor guy that was killed by the NYPD in an incident over him selling loose cigarettes. When the thirst for government becomes so great that something like this happens, you’d think people would be compelled to pull back the reigns of government. You’d be wrong, though.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T06:27:22.517Z

Dissident_Aggressor:

Then again, there are too many laws[…]

I don’t think laws are so easily countable. I’m more interested in their content.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T07:15:44.059Z

FlameHeart:

I agree with you on contracts between government officials, evictions, and foreclosures. As well as permits (although you did not mention those I assume your argument encompasses those as well).

I cannot see myself agreeing on property rights as a whole though. Perhaps it is just my bias against broad-brushing. shrug

It’s your bias. You can’t recognize that property rights are just as “big government” as labor rights and environmental protection. That’s not your fault though. Even your opponents are too brainwashed to see the truth.

Dissident_Aggressor · 2018-11-08T07:35:23.092Z

Samson_Corwell:

I have a problem with regarding laws as easily countablevas this. I’m more interested in their content.

I’m sorry, you lost me.

Samson_Corwell · 2018-11-08T07:36:32.991Z

Dissident_Aggressor:

Samson_Corwell:

I have a problem with regarding laws as easily countablevas this. I’m more interested in their content.

I’m sorry, you lost me.

Did I say something stupid or confusing?

Dissident_Aggressor · 2018-11-08T07:46:11.166Z

Samson_Corwell:

Did I say something stupid or confusing?

It’s probably just me, but I don’t understand your response at all.

Hexenbiest · 2018-11-08T08:17:25.776Z

I agree the labels are worthless today, and you are spot on the big issue is globalization. China is a real problem that our politicians and businesses have completely sold out American manufacturing out to. They do the same thing in the I.T. industry. This country used to take pride in “Made in America”, and the base of the democrat party was the “Party of The Working Man”.

Fast forward to today and look at the inverse, hardly anyone cares about our American manufacturing, and if it was made in America or by some eight year old kid in China, getting whipped by “Big Boss Man No. 24” they could care less. We have free trade with countries who basically use slave trade. It’s not a sustainable model, and the gap will widen between the rich and the poor with the dissolving of the middle class.

Globalization is being vehemently contested in Europe atm.