Are you happy with Walk away Joe?

Oryx · 2021-09-03T21:00:35.092Z

Samm:

Do you mean when he killed an American citizen without due process?

Yes, exactly. Why couldn’t we do that to the Taliban?

WuWei · 2021-09-03T22:03:47.824Z

Oryx:

Samm:

Not without people on the ground to identify and verify the target he didn’t.

If Obama could do it in places like Yemen, why couldn’t we do the same in Afghanistan?

There were people on the ground in Yemen.

Oryx · 2021-09-04T00:05:21.055Z

WuWei:

There were people on the ground in Yemen.

If we had people on the ground in Yemen, why couldn’t we have them in Afghanistan?

bigtwnvin · 2021-09-04T00:44:32.242Z

There is no way anyone could be this ■■■■■■■ stupid.

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WuWei · 2021-09-04T00:51:08.472Z

We did.

Oryx · 2021-09-04T00:54:09.131Z

So we could have targeted Taliban members in Afghanistan the same way we targeted terrorists in other countries. Preferable to a 20-year occupation if you ask me.

WuWei · 2021-09-04T01:09:40.230Z

Oryx:

So we could have targeted Taliban members in Afghanistan the same way we targeted terrorists in other countries. Preferable to a 20-year occupation if you ask me.

You still aren’t getting this. You don’t understand what happened.

Back in the 80s, the muj fought the Soviets. We, along with a lot of other countries helped them. Then when they won, we forgot about them.

Along comes the Taliban, then 9/11 happens and we tell the muj “Help us get them.” We had already reneged once.

Promises had to be made. And kept.

That’s why the “nation building” had to be done.

You can argue 20 years was too much of a college try, I won’t argue against it. But we had to give it a shot.

Oryx · 2021-09-04T01:46:02.882Z

WuWei:

Along comes the Taliban, then 9/11 happens and we tell the muj “Help us get them.” We had already reneged once.

Promises had to be made.

I appreciate the explanation. But I don’t understand why nation-building was the only option. Why did we have to make that promise? Why did we need their help after 9/11?

WuWei · 2021-09-04T03:25:21.868Z

Oryx:

WuWei:

Along comes the Taliban, then 9/11 happens and we tell the muj “Help us get them.” We had already reneged once.

Promises had to be made.

I appreciate the explanation. But I don’t understand why nation-building was the only option. Why did we have to make that promise? Why did we need their help after 9/11?

How do you think we took that country with 200 guys?

Oryx · 2021-09-04T16:49:50.560Z

WuWei:

How do you think we took that country with 200 guys?

Okay, but why was that the only option? You said:

WuWei:

Promises had to be made.

Why did promises have to be made?

WuWei · 2021-09-04T16:54:59.202Z

Oryx:

Okay, but why was that the only option? You said:

You have another suggestion?

Oryx:

Why did promises have to be made?

To shape the operating environment to allow 200 guys to take the country. You think they did that by themselves?

Oryx · 2021-09-04T16:57:21.529Z

WuWei:

You have another suggestion?

Yes, I’ve been arguing it all along. Targeted strikes against Taliban members without invading and taking over the country.

WuWei · 2021-09-04T17:00:22.470Z

Oryx:

WuWei:

You have another suggestion?

Yes, I’ve been arguing it all along. Targeted strikes against Taliban members without invading and taking over the country.

I tried to let you get away with that silliness. You just keep repeating it.

Samm · 2021-09-04T23:22:45.713Z

Oryx:

Samm:

Do you mean when he killed an American citizen without due process?

Yes, exactly. Why couldn’t we do that to the Taliban?

We did. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of times of times, but with ground intelligence, just like they had in Yemen.

Samm · 2021-09-04T23:23:56.671Z

Oryx:

WuWei:

There were people on the ground in Yemen.

If we had people on the ground in Yemen, why couldn’t we have them in Afghanistan?

Because Biden pulled them all out. Where have you been the last couple of days?

Oryx · 2021-09-05T23:09:01.166Z

WuWei:

I tried to let you get away with that silliness. You just keep repeating it.

And yet you can’t seem to explain why it’s “silliness.”

Oryx · 2021-09-05T23:09:57.543Z

Samm:

We did. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of times of times, but with ground intelligence, just like they had in Yemen.

Thank you. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. We should have just kept at it rather than invading and taking over the country, in my opinion.

Oryx · 2021-09-05T23:10:29.417Z

Samm:

Because Biden pulled them all out. Where have you been the last couple of days?

We’re talking about 20 years ago, not today. The Bush administration should never have invaded.

Samm · 2021-09-05T23:15:14.073Z

Oryx:

Samm:

We did. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of times of times, but with ground intelligence, just like they had in Yemen.

Thank you. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. We should have just kept at it rather than invading and taking over the country, in my opinion.

What part about having to invade the country to put eyes on the ground are you not understanding?

Samm · 2021-09-05T23:16:14.948Z

Oryx:

Samm:

Because Biden pulled them all out. Where have you been the last couple of days?

We’re talking about 20 years ago, not today. The Bush administration should never have invaded.

How else would we have known where to bomb? The two activities are joined at the hip.