Are violations of civil rights okay so long as they are indiscriminate?

[BillBrown]

@WuWei

@BillBrown

Certain types of events may require permits . These include a march or parade that requires blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices ; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.

All public property. If I can keep it on my side of the fence, it’s mine. The permit is for the device.

That wasn’t even a good try.

It doesn’t specify public property.

[WuWei]

@BillBrown

@WuWei

@BillBrown

Certain types of events may require permits . These include a march or parade that requires blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices ; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.

All public property. If I can keep it on my side of the fence, it’s mine. The permit is for the device.

That wasn’t even a good try.

It doesn’t specify public property.

The sound carries over the fence. If I can figure out a way to contain it, no permit.

He’s right, you’re wrong.

[RTchoke]

@BillBrown

@WuWei

@BillBrown

Certain types of events may require permits . These include a march or parade that requires blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices ; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.

All public property. If I can keep it on my side of the fence, it’s mine. The permit is for the device.

That wasn’t even a good try.

It doesn’t specify public property.

So are you OK with the gov making you have permits for events on private property? Because that’s what it sounds like with that answer.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

Doesn’t mean they are Constitutional either.

Doesn’t it?

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

Doesn’t mean they are Constitutional either.

Doesn’t it?

No, it doesn’t. And those cases are very different than what was done this time.

[BillBrown]

[quote=“komobu, post:100, topic:231134, full:true”]

@BillBrown

@komobu

@BillBrown

Tell me in the constitution where it says that? Article? Section?
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Sure. The First Amendment. Unlike you, I will provide the full text.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Notice that it doesnt say “peaceably to assemble with a permit”

Certain types of events may require permits . These include a march or parade that requires blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices ; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.

Know Your Rights | American Civil Liberties Union

Protesters’ Rights

The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. Make sure you’re prepared by…

If you practice law, you might consider dish washing, instead.

You keep reading into it what you want to see. And what you want to see isnt there.

This is private land we are discussing. We are not discussing parks, streets or plazas. This is Church land that the church owns. You are saying that you support the government regulating private land use. Then you say you are not a leftist.

Well you sure sound like one to me.

You’re crawfishing around. The 1st amendment doesn’t differentiate between public and private property. That’s what you said defined the right to assemble.
Now, you’re saying it makes a difference.
What I posted - a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices , doesn’t specify public property.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

No, it doesn’t. And those cases are very different than what was done this time.

Yes they were much much much much much harsher than what’s being done now. So I’m not sure that there is your strongest tact to take.

[BillBrown]

@RTchoke

So are you OK with the gov making you have permits for events on private property? Because that’s what it sounds like with that answer.

It has nothing to do with what I am OK with.

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

No, it doesn’t. And those cases are very different than what was done this time.

Yes they were much much much much much harsher than what’s being done now. So I’m not sure that there is your strongest tact to take.

That’s not the difference. Harsher to whom? This is not a quarantine.

[komobu]

@BillBrown

ou’re crawfishing around. The 1st amendment doesn’t differentiate between public and private property. That’s what you said defined the right to assemble.
Now, you’re saying it makes a difference.
What I posted - a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices , doesn’t specify public property.

Not at all. I would expect nothing less from a leftist.

Those of us on the right value liberty. I am for freedom. If it is your land, you get to say what events can be held.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

That’s not the difference. Harsher to whom? This is not a quarantine.

Some sort of real world example would be nice. I’ve got lawsuits that keep getting thrown out recently. What you got?

[komobu]

You do know that the ACLU has lost cases before right? Just because they put something on a website doesnt mean it will necessarily hold up to constitutional muster.

Further, the constitution and the bill of rights puts limits on the government. It doesnt put limits on the people. If it isnt in the text, it is a right reserved for the people. It is not the other way around no matter what a leftist would like to believe.

[BillBrown]

@komobu

@BillBrown

ou’re crawfishing around. The 1st amendment doesn’t differentiate between public and private property. That’s what you said defined the right to assemble.
Now, you’re saying it makes a difference.
What I posted - a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices , doesn’t specify public property.

Not at all. I would expect nothing less from a leftist.

Those of us on the right value liberty. I am for freedom. If it is your land, you get to say what events can be held.

Not in all cases and I don’t have any more time for you, lefty.

[komobu]

@BillBrown

Not in all cases and I don’t have any more time for you, lefty.

Of course not.

I understand it is difficult for you to refute my position using logic…

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

That’s not the difference. Harsher to whom? This is not a quarantine.

Some sort of real world example would be nice. I’ve got lawsuits that keep getting thrown out recently. What you got?

The definition of the word “quarantine”.

Law suits “thrown out” is proof of Constitutionality?

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

The definition of the word “quarantine”.

Law suits “thrown out” is proof of Constitutionality?

There’s a reason that dictionary definitions aren’t allowed to be use as sources in academic papers. You got anything else besides an internet dictionary definition?

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

The definition of the word “quarantine”.

Law suits “thrown out” is proof of Constitutionality?

There’s a reason that dictionary definitions aren’t allowed to be use as sources in academic papers. You got anything else besides an internet dictionary definition?

The definition of the word quarantine. Yes, they are allowed as sources in academic papers.

Yes, I have every quarantine ever up until this travesty.

[Guvnah]

@7ranz

It was built on a lie. It was built on slave labor.

There are 1619 reasons why that’s just bupkis.

[TommyLucchese]

@WuWei

The definition of the word quarantine. Yes, they are allowed as sources in academic papers.

Yes, I have every quarantine ever up until this travesty

Come on bro don’t be Pete and Re-Pete sitting on a fence. You just said this.

[WuWei]

@TommyLucchese

@WuWei

The definition of the word quarantine. Yes, they are allowed as sources in academic papers.

Yes, I have every quarantine ever up until this travesty

Come on bro don’t be Pete and Re-Pete sitting on a fence. You just said this.

You’re not getting it.

Don’t call me “bro”.