Are the "unboosted" the new "unvaxed"?

Samm · 2021-12-09T05:10:45.666Z

amadeus:

Samm:

Bill.in.PA:

Yes, Omicron is likely to make the vaccines obsolete. Boosted or vaxed will be irrelevant.

That is a good thing in my opinion.

By next spring we will see a booster that targets the Omicron strain … just in time for the Pi strain.

Predictions are difficult, especially about the future!

Probability is with me … although they will probably skip pi like they did xi.

JimmyC · 2021-12-09T05:12:07.545Z

You were pretty fond of posting data from Israel when vaccine effectiveness was waning. Here is the data after they have had boosters

More than three months on, Israeli health officials say the data is clear: Booster shots helped bring down the fourth wave of the virus that swept the country in August and September.

At its peak, that wave saw more than 8,000 new Covid-19 cases per day, and more than 500 people hospitalized at a time in serious condition.

The current seven-day average is running at between 450 and 500 cases a day, and there are 129 people hospitalized in serious condition with the virus.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/health/israel-covid-booster-lessons-intl-cmd/index.html

Samm · 2021-12-09T05:15:41.896Z

Bill.in.PA:

Or by next spring the vast majority of people will already have natural immunity from omicron whether they are vaccinated or not.

Will the government continue to push boosters even if they are irrelevant?

Natural immunity is not what it’s cracked up to be with mutations. That’s why the Flu is a risk every year regardless of how often you have contracted it in precious years.

I don’t but the premise that boosters are irrelevant.

Samm · 2021-12-09T05:18:53.217Z

PurpnGold:

Bill.in.PA:

I don’t mind getting a cold to end the pandemic of lockdowns, travel restrictions, mask requirements, and coerced vaccinations.

So we’ve now skipped over “covid is no worse than the flu” to “covid is like the common cold”

We humans deserve everything coming to us.

That’s the beauty of individual choice and responsibility for our own decisions.

Samm · 2021-12-09T05:37:18.354Z

Axxowiz:

We should all be happy if we are at the beginning stages of the virus weakening in its lethality as early reports have been saying about omicron. Hoping all the articles I have been reading were they are saying mild compared to delta is great news if it sticks.

I don’t think this virus will disappear … it’s not lethal enough. The SARS virus was highly lethal, but not readily transmittable. Because of that, it has now (as far as they know) disappeared in open society. The original Covid virus was more transmittable and less deadly than SARS. Delta was 4-5 times more transmittable and somewhat less lethal (although that may have been due to better treatment.) Now we have Omicron which is more transmittable yet, but apparently less lethal. If that progression continues, we will be living indefinitely with an endemic virus that sickens many, but only kills the weak. From a Human species perspective, that would be a good thing.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-12-09T14:16:50.223Z

Yes, at this point Alec Baldwin has killed more people than Omicron.

The virus is becoming like a cold virus. It will not go away, but it is unlikely to kill anyone either.

Paul_Thomson · 2021-12-09T14:30:24.989Z

Sknyluv:

More COVID deaths would be a good thing? We have less deaths because of vaccines and boosters.

You mean “fewer deaths”. Someone can’t be “less dead”.

Toll_Collector · 2021-12-09T14:51:47.668Z

I got the J&J vaccine. No boosters for me. And no, I’m not taking one of those miRNA vaccines. But I bet the booster will be the next mandate.

gooddad409 · 2021-12-09T14:55:20.096Z

Toll_Collector:

I got the J&J vaccine. No boosters for me. And no, I’m not taking one of those miRNA vaccines. But I bet the booster will be the next mandate.

Probably so. I might get 1 booster just to get me thru what’s left of the covid 19 and the Delta.

Sounds like the new one isn’t to be feared much.

WuWei · 2021-12-09T15:02:38.492Z

Paul_Thomson:

Sknyluv:

More COVID deaths would be a good thing? We have less deaths because of vaccines and boosters.

You mean “fewer deaths”. Someone can’t be “less dead”.

Come on man.

JayJay · 2021-12-09T15:30:55.716Z

But when boosted the antibody levels return to normal neutralizing levels.

That’s what the study found.

The disconnect in some people’s heads is fascinating to watch.

I can’t tell you how many people think the vaccine is poison but the monoclonal antibody treatment one receives if one gets COVID is a miracle therapy.

When for all intents and purposes, the vax and the mAB are the SAME THING.

JayJay · 2021-12-09T15:37:25.099Z

What is your issue with mRNA vaccines?

Rodeo · 2021-12-09T15:58:37.373Z

amadeus:

Whatever, Bill. I take a flu shot every year. If I think, upon my doctor’s advice, or the many doctors in my family, that an annual shot is in my best interest, fine with me.

And there in lies the reality…you make a personal choice about what is in your best interests after consulting with your Dr. Flu shots aren’t mandate.

Continuing the mandates is a political decision…continuing the pandemic at this point is probably a political decision…

Let’s face it the lefties ruining this country don’t have much other than the pandemic they’ve screw up everything else they’ve touched.

JayJay · 2021-12-09T16:15:17.483Z

Our local hospitals are filled with COVID patients. Once again other patients are getting bumped/triaged.

You really want to stick with “continuing the pandemic is a political decision”?

Cratic3947 · 2021-12-09T16:42:10.782Z

If you research buying a car or a house you are a smart consumer. If you research a vaxx you are a conspiracy theorist…

Cratic3947 · 2021-12-09T16:43:29.283Z

JayJay:

Our local hospitals are filled with COVID patients. Once again other patients are getting bumped/triaged.

You really want to stick with “continuing the pandemic is a political decision”?

Yes, but most of the cases are amongst the vaxx’ed right? So perhaps the vaxx is making it more virulent…

JayJay · 2021-12-09T16:43:52.539Z

Cratic3947:

If you research buying a car or a house you are a smart consumer. If you research a vaxx you are a conspiracy theorist…

Show us how you have “researched” a vax.

Lay your experience and credentials and your methodology out for us.

JayJay · 2021-12-09T16:44:26.615Z

Cratic3947:

JayJay:

Our local hospitals are filled with COVID patients. Once again other patients are getting bumped/triaged.

You really want to stick with “continuing the pandemic is a political decision”?

Yes, but most of the cases are amongst the vaxx’ed right? So perhaps the vaxx is making it more virulent…

Nope the bulk of hospitalizations are still unvaccinated.

And this statement you made at the end tells me all I need to know about the extent of your vaccine “research” and your ability to comprehend what you might have “researched”.

This is not an insult…simply an honest assessment.

It’s not as simple as Googling.

Cratic3947 · 2021-12-09T16:46:09.515Z

JayJay:

Cratic3947:

If you research buying a car or a house you are a smart consumer. If you research a vaxx you are a conspiracy theorist…

Show us how you have “researched” a vax.

Lay your experience and credentials and your methodology out for us.

Just pointing out where the media and swamp are on this…

. And it’s hard to research a Vaxx when the corrupt FDA allows their masters at Pfizer to hide the data for 75 years… Isn’t it…?

JayJay · 2021-12-09T16:46:50.410Z

Stop making excuses and show us your bona fides.

You already revealed you don’t have much knowledge of how vaccines and the immune system work.