Are crowded mass transit systems spreading disease?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-04-12T01:48:29.489Z

I am telling you that you are wrong.

The problem most certainly does exist. You have no idea about the logistics going on in New York right now.

You are, after all, the one who thought stationing DoH officials at subway stations.

WildRose · 2020-04-12T02:09:21.673Z

The NYC DOH alone has more than 6,000 employees and 40% of the economy is shut down.

They have more than adequate storage for the bodies.

They have more than adequate ability to bury those who go unclaimed.

Daily deaths have already leveled off and are falling as are new hospitalizations.

Things are now going so well in NYC they have over 4,000 hospital beds that aren’t even being utilized and both the mayor and governor are bragging about how well they’ve handled it.

You keep whining about a problem that doesn’t exist.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-12T04:04:37.257Z

Have you been tracking NY lately? They have had 15-20k new infections in each of the last two days. They have just over 180k now and will probably jump over 200k tomorrow, and it’s rising. Not leveling out.

FloridaYankee · 2020-04-12T04:14:59.290Z

Toll_Collector:

Have you been tracking NY lately? They have had 15-20k new infections in each of the last two days. They have just over 180k now and will probably jump over 200k tomorrow, and it’s rising. Not leveling out.

Fatalities have been in the 700s for four or five days, so it COULD be leveling off. It sure as hell ain’t enough to make a declarative statement though, that’s for sure.

WildRose · 2020-04-12T04:15:16.465Z

“New infections” doesn’t equate to new hospitalizations and deaths.

The deaths have leveled off and the hospitalizations are falling according to both Cuomo and Deblasio.

On 4-6 there were 5,466 new cases reported.

On 4-10 there were 853 new cases reported.

A decrease of 640%

Hospital discharges continue outpacing new hospitalizations so the hospitalization rate is also steadily decreasing.

We all knew there was a spike in deaths coming, we’re past that peak and hopefully there won’t be a new surge.

Daily deaths peaked at 459 on April 7, on April 10, 199 deaths. A decrease of over 50%.

Hospitalizations peaked on April at, 1634. On April 10 it dropped to 934, a drop of 42%.

There are over 4,000 hospital beds available.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

TheRedComet · 2020-04-12T04:23:15.654Z

No. No it is not lol.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-04-12T05:49:26.077Z

WildRose:

Daily deaths peaked at 459 on April 7, on April 10, 199 deaths. A decrease of over 50%.

See, theres a couple problems with your statements, first, your link clearly says “Due to delays in reporting,
recent data are incomplete” - and while your site claims there were 291 deaths on the 9th, Cuomo said there were 799 deaths on the 9th.

nytimes.com – 10 Apr 20

How Many People Have Actually Died From Coronavirus in New York? (Published...

The official statistics paint a partial picture and may understate the death toll. Here’s why.

WildRose · 2020-04-12T06:06:43.049Z

Statewide or NYC alone?

Your article is pay walled.

Based on what he actually said, It’s statewide, not NYC.

MSNBC.com

Gov. Cuomo: Leveling off of New York coronavirus deaths ‘a somewhat hopeful...

At his daily coronavirus briefing, Governor Andrew Cuomo says New York continues “to lose a tremendous number of lives and endure great pain as a state.”

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-04-12T06:19:26.188Z

As far as I understand, more than 90% of the statewide cases come from the city and its closest suburbs.

So it doesn’t really matter, either way one of those numbers is off.

WildRose · 2020-04-12T06:40:24.246Z

He gave the statewide numbers.

NYC may have close to 90% of the total statewide, that doesn’t mean they have 90% of the current or recent daily death toll.

It has expanded from NYC across the rest of the state.

Paul_Thomson · 2020-04-12T06:45:05.104Z

JayJay:

How would you go about regulating that?

Any facility designed for human use has a limit of users at which the ability of the facility to function as intended becomes compromised, and the quality of life of those using the facility degrades - water, fire, sewage, transport and rubbish removal services, policing, housing etc. We can judge the number of people who can safely use an elevator, live in a tenement building, based on actuarial analysis. I don’t see why we cannot calculate safe limits to the loadings put on a single city’s services , and require city administrators to keep loadings under those limits.
I don’t know what the limits will prove to be, but it seems odd that we can legislate maximum safe legal loadings in all sorts of areas, and enforce those, but cannot do the same for permanent city residents and businesses.

Axxowiz · 2020-04-12T07:26:46.557Z

Obviously if we are told to stay away 6 feet from people and to practice social distancing being packed in a sardine can with other people is the exact opposite of it. Not sure how they can deal with it but yes it increases your chances of getting the virus it doesn’t take much to get infected if you are around and infected person.

A new study shows it stays in the air 13 feet away from and infected person which I believe 100%

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-found-air-samples-13-feet-patients-231032581.html

WildRose · 2020-04-12T07:29:38.523Z

What? You actually want the gov’t to live under the same rules and laws as the rest of society?

How dare you… .?

TommyLucchese · 2020-04-12T15:32:18.289Z

WildRose:

Really? Please cite the post.

Gaslighting does not work on me. Thanks for stopping by.

altair1013 · 2020-04-12T16:02:05.661Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

I moved out of NY about a decade ago, and I’ve heard the trains have gotten a lot worse since I left.

That being said, I’ve missed the subway everywhere I’ve lived since.

More people die from auto accidents than mass transit. You are seldom in more danger than when driving.

markdido · 2020-04-12T17:57:37.672Z

TommyLucchese:

WildRose:

Really? Please cite the post.

Gaslighting does not work on me. Thanks for stopping by.

Nice punt.

TommyLucchese · 2020-04-12T19:20:19.265Z

markdido:

Nice punt.

Wasn’t a punt. Was a curt dismissal. Like so: good day, sir.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-04-12T19:30:43.410Z

WildRose:

What? You actually want the gov’t to live under the same rules and laws as the rest of society?

How dare you… .?

This statement doesn’t make sense, in the context of the post your responded to.

Would you care to possibly explain what you intended this post to mean, for the sake of clarity?

Paul_Thomson · 2020-04-13T04:15:36.535Z

It made sense to me. State and federal governments create laws that restrict the commercial and residency interests of individual citizens “for the common good” - Where you can set up a business, and the health standards and capacity of the premises. But they allow themselves to expand to and beyond a point where citizen’s health and safety become compromised and endangered.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-13T07:16:40.402Z

Axxowiz:

Obviously if we are told to stay away 6 feet from people and to practice social distancing being packed in a sardine can with other people is the exact opposite of it. Not sure how they can deal with it but yes it increases your chances of getting the virus it doesn’t take much to get infected if you are around and infected person.

A new study shows it stays in the air 13 feet away from and infected person which I believe 100%

That’s what I’ve been saying. But the usual response is they have no other way to get to work. Ok then. They’ll stop using the subway eventually.