Are BLM murals subject to special protection?

pensieve_seeker · 2020-07-19T21:39:03.864Z

Would adding some words to change the message from BLACK LIVES MATTER to BLACK LIVES MATTER ONLY WHEN KILLED BY WHITE COPS be considered defacing the slogan? (I say it wouldn’t because you haven’t touched what they said.)

Call_me_Ishmael · 2020-07-19T21:52:10.278Z

Half of the baltimore cops charged in freddy gray’s death were black. So really… any low life thug who gets killed by any cop is elevated to sainthood and is worthy of being the reason for looting, burning, and destruction.

Smyrna · 2020-07-19T23:46:49.819Z

It is a disgusting time in our nation’s history and had I not witnessed this craziness, I’d never believe it. Lib leaders of lib cities are out of control and working against the over all good of the United States.

Mountain_Soldier · 2020-07-19T23:50:29.026Z

Only liberals are allowed to express themselves in public places.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-07-19T23:58:24.527Z

The Democrat-run cities have a bit of a dilemma.

If they say that the slogans on the pavement are a government announcement, then they raise troubling questions about the government only saying that the lives of people with a particular skin color matter.

If they say they are not government supported, then logically the pavement should be a public forum that is open to wide range of messages under the First Amendment.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-07-20T00:00:00.281Z

It’s a public mural. There is no more a “dilemma” than every other public mural in NYC.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-07-20T00:03:51.804Z

If a city put a “white lives matter” mural on their streets would it be acceptable?

Or would it be an example of unconstitutional white supremacy?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-07-20T00:06:50.709Z

It wouldn’t be unconstitutional.

If you want a “White Lives Matter” mural, you’re welcome to lobby your local politicians. I wouldn’t hold out much hope though.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-07-20T00:15:40.138Z

Saying a public water fountain open to only one race is unconstitutional.

Saying that the pavement of the street with a message that only one race matters is fine?

Courts may say otherwise. Sounds like systemic racism to me.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-07-20T00:17:16.158Z

Bill.in.PA:

Saying a public water fountain open to only one race is unconstitutional.

Bill.in.PA:

Saying that the pavement of the street with a message that only one race matters is fine?

I don’t see the word “only” there.

Bill.in.PA:

Courts may say otherwise. Sounds like systemic racism to me.

Feel free to file suit. But again - I wouldn’t keep my hopes up.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-07-20T00:33:58.314Z

The government only allowing a statement saying “Black Lives Matter” is the issue.

Could the government say “Baptists Matter” without allowing similar supporting statement for any other religion?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-07-20T00:37:17.322Z

Bill.in.PA:

The government only allowing a statement saying “Black Lives Matter” is the issue.

Why is that an issue?

That’s the city’s call to make. They don’t have to represent “both sides”.

Should every town and city with a MLK Blvd be forced to rename another street “James Earl Ray Drive”?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2020-07-20T00:38:25.110Z

Bill.in.PA:

Could the government say “Baptists Matter” without allowing similar supporting statement for any other religion?

Religion is a separate issue, as you (hopefully) well know.

So the comparison doesn’t work.

WuWei · 2020-07-20T00:39:46.456Z

Didn’t the city of New York pay for that?

Bill.in.PA · 2020-07-20T00:49:53.430Z

It is not clear who paid for it, although it is clear that the city government supported it.

If the pavement is a public forum that other groups should be free to post their messages. That is the point of the law suit in DC.

WildRose · 2020-07-20T00:52:31.517Z

Hell you can be charged with a hate crime for painting over one of their “murals”. Of course they are getting special protections the rest are not afforded.

WildRose · 2020-07-20T00:53:03.822Z

How so? Both have 1st Amendment Protections as speech.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-07-20T00:53:47.489Z

Yes is attacking Columbus monument an example of an anti-Italian hate crime?

It is clear that there has been selective enforcement of the laws.

WildRose · 2020-07-20T00:58:42.710Z

Well it would be but then how rare is it to see a minority charged with a hate crime against white people?

pensieve_seeker · 2020-07-20T01:41:06.255Z

Jamed Earl Ray? Who is Jamed Earl Ray?