Are armed neighborhood watches the answer to defund the police?

Coyotes will very much kill a buck.

I think a more accurate comparison would be how many (subway, or comparable) encounters between police and citizens resulted in gunplay - and what the body count was - during those 14 years.

I dont know what the numbers are. But it would be interesting to see.

To do what? Shoot back?

Maybe that’s why fewer died.

In general I’d say it’s a bad idea for people with no training to arm up to defend their own neighborhoods but if the police are forced to stand down by their leaders all we are left with are bad choices.

Lot of value being asserted here for some services to be socialized.

Interesting.

nothing but trolling.

Really? I would have thought that that folks would jump at the prospect of privatized citizen militias as proposed by the OP. Instead a lot of folks are suggesting that police forces, a socialized construct, are superior.

The trolling accusation does make a convenient dodge.

Of course it is. There is no truth to it, you’re just tossing it out to cause a stir, trolling by definition.

Policing is one of the most basic functions of gov’t and it exists in every civilized society no matter what system of gov’t and economics.

Indeed, one of the most basic functions of government is a socialized service. It’s apparent universality doesn’t change its nature.

It seems preferable to armed groups of citizens to the point that every civilized society prefers it.

Calling it a “socialized services” is a fabrication from the start.

Social Services and policing are not in any way similar.

Nonsense.

Policing is the very definition of a socialized industry. Owned by the government on behalf of the people.

What do you think “socialized medicine” would look like.

I find government owned policing much preferable to armed citizen groups and hence I oppose getting rid of police forces.

I’m honest enough to know socialism when I see it though.

You just continue making things up.

Policing is not a social service by any definition of the phrase.

I didn’t say it was a social service. I said it was a socialized service. Now you’re just making up things you think I said.

It’s as socialized as the health care in England or the oil industry in Venezuela.

You’ve been making it up since you started with the whole “socialized service” claim.

To not die.

There are also 35,000 cops in NYC about a third of which are on duty at any given time vs how many of the “GA’s”?

That quite simply is not true.

Of course it is as shown by yourself as the only source for the claim.

It’s the same fabricated garbage we’ve been fed now for a decade claiming all gov’t services are “socialism”.

For self defense and defense of neighbors, yes, they might not have any choice as liberal politicians either don’t care or don’t have any answers for crime or violence against civilians. But not for day to day law enforcement.

Individually yes, but overall if your goal is to ‘not die’ the odds are on the side of the guys not carrying.