April was best month in history for U.S. budget

Samm · 2018-06-18T21:04:55.284Z

reflechissez:

Samm:

dantes:

Weird. Earlier you were claiming that government revenues go up when we cut taxes.

They can, and often do. Just not overnight. Tax cuts stimulate the economy. A stimulated economy generates more wealth. More wealth produces more tax revenue even at the lower rate. The link I provided to you earlier shows that relationship occurred with the 2003 Bush tax cut.

The economy has grown over time. You have not demonstrated that tax cuts made it grow more than it would have.

You are right. Its not that simple. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes. Even Obama knew that.

dantes · 2018-06-18T21:08:23.430Z

Deficits slow down the economy too.

Samm · 2018-06-18T21:28:08.554Z

dantes:

Deficits slow down the economy too.

I said it wasn’t that simple. Do you want a seminar on the complexities of economics?

reflechissez · 2018-06-18T21:38:16.908Z

Samm:

. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes.

Repeating it doesn’t make it so. You can’t replace evidence with “generally speaking”. You are so certain about the correctness of your opinion that there should be mounds of evidence.

Samm · 2018-06-18T22:18:25.296Z

reflechissez:

Samm:

. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes.

Repeating it doesn’t make it so. You can’t replace evidence with “generally speaking”. You are so certain about the correctness of your opinion that there should be mounds of evidence.

Economics 101. Go and learn.

reflechissez · 2018-06-18T22:19:24.334Z

Samm:

reflechissez:

Samm:

. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes.

Repeating it doesn’t make it so. You can’t replace evidence with “generally speaking”. You are so certain about the correctness of your opinion that there should be mounds of evidence.

Economics 101. Go and learn.

Just admit it. You got nothin’.

Samm · 2018-06-18T22:21:18.878Z

reflechissez:

Samm:

reflechissez:

Samm:

. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes.

Repeating it doesn’t make it so. You can’t replace evidence with “generally speaking”. You are so certain about the correctness of your opinion that there should be mounds of evidence.

Economics 101. Go and learn.

Just admit it. You got nothin’.

For you, no. For anyone who wants to contribute rather than just bite ankles, I am open for further discussion.

reflechissez · 2018-06-18T22:24:53.072Z

Samm:

reflechissez:

Samm:

reflechissez:

Samm:

. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes.

Repeating it doesn’t make it so. You can’t replace evidence with “generally speaking”. You are so certain about the correctness of your opinion that there should be mounds of evidence.

Economics 101. Go and learn.

Just admit it. You got nothin’.

For you, no. For anyone who wants to contribute rather than just bite ankles, I am open for further discussion.

The ankle biter is you, sparky. You have not proven your assertion, yet keep repeating yourself because you have nothing else to offer. Tax cuts increase revenue because tax cuts increase revenue – this is all you have said. Carry on.

dantes · 2018-06-18T22:26:34.698Z

Yes, but preferably by someone who knows something about it. Maybe someone who can debate this issue beyond just calling it “crap”.

reflechissez · 2018-06-18T22:28:24.298Z

dantes:

Yes, but preferably by someone who knows something about it. Maybe someone who can debate this issue beyond just calling it “crap”.

He really doesn’t know much, does he? And tell other to “go and learn.”

Grimalken · 2018-06-18T22:40:20.870Z

It’s good news, hope it keeps going.

ImRightYoureWrong · 2018-06-18T23:02:44.661Z

Samm:

If you don’t know the difference between Government policy and the economy I can’t help you.

You said the policy was the main factor and then say government isn’t the economy. Sorry. That’s dumb.

ImRightYoureWrong · 2018-06-18T23:04:33.770Z

Samm:

Economics 101. Go and learn.

You say government isn’t part of the economy and preach econ 101? Oh, and by the way, taxes dont go into a black hole. So, no higher taxes dont necessarily slow the economy. Thanks for playing

Samm · 2018-06-19T05:54:28.071Z

reflechissez:

Samm:

reflechissez:

Samm:

reflechissez:

Samm:

. But generally speaking, the economy does better with lower taxes and slows down under higher taxes.

Repeating it doesn’t make it so. You can’t replace evidence with “generally speaking”. You are so certain about the correctness of your opinion that there should be mounds of evidence.

Economics 101. Go and learn.

Just admit it. You got nothin’.

For you, no. For anyone who wants to contribute rather than just bite ankles, I am open for further discussion.

The ankle biter is you, sparky. You have not proven your assertion, yet keep repeating yourself because you have nothing else to offer. Tax cuts increase revenue because tax cuts increase revenue – this is all you have said. Carry on.

Weak, but then why should you change now.

WuWei · 2019-03-04T17:14:06.132Z

No, I’m not.

Guvnah · 2019-03-04T17:22:49.667Z

WuWei:

Those gains, the CBO says, more than offset the 22% decline in corporate income taxes.

Wh…what… how can that be?

Most people don’t realize that corporate taxation is one of the smaller parts of the federal income stream. Increases or decreases in that component just impact a minority segment of the revenue stream.

The battle over corporate taxation is like jackals and vultures fighting over the dry bones of the carcass.

Guvnah · 2019-03-04T17:26:26.609Z

SottoVoce:

So, exact same result. If you’re making an extra dollar, but spending 2 more, who cares? You’re still in the hole. I’m not sure why people are trying to hang their hats on increased revenue, when it’s far exceeded by increased spending. Glass half full I guess.

i’m with you on the need for spending cuts. I have been since the Bush Sr. years.

I think the point of the OP, though, is to address the arguments that the Trump tax cuts are causing the deficits.

But, as you point out, it’s really the spending.

Guvnah · 2019-03-04T17:29:03.680Z

zantax:

lol ten characters

five.

SottoVoce · 2019-03-04T17:48:01.130Z

Guvnah:

SottoVoce:

So, exact same result. If you’re making an extra dollar, but spending 2 more, who cares? You’re still in the hole. I’m not sure why people are trying to hang their hats on increased revenue, when it’s far exceeded by increased spending. Glass half full I guess.

i’m with you on the need for spending cuts. I have been since the Bush Sr. years.

I think the point of the OP, though, is to address the arguments that the Trump tax cuts are causing the deficits.

But, as you point out, it’s really the spending.

It’s pretty simple. Money in must equal money out. I don’t know how many more times we have to suffer through hardline supply-side economics experiments to understand tax cuts are not a magic bullet and can be quite harmful.

Guvnah · 2019-03-04T18:15:21.074Z

SottoVoce:

It’s pretty simple. Money in must equal money out. I don’t know how many more times we have to suffer through hardline supply-side economics experiments to understand tax cuts are not a magic bullet and can be quite harmful.

It’s what killed Brownback in Kansas too. He cut taxes (and resulted in reduced revenue) but did not cut spending. It crushed Kansas’ state budget.

I would support cuts in taxes if they were accompanied with a 2x cut in spending. (Even 1.5x. But we never see even a dollar-for-dollar match in spending cuts.)

We’ve been spending ourselves into oblivion for decades. For generations. I’ve been expecting the house of cards to fall for quite a while, and I’ve been surprised at how long we’ve avoided the day of reckoning. The bigger the house grows, the messier will be the resulting rubble. And we peons are helpless to change that.