Apple removes Alex Jones and Infowars podcast from iTunes

[Blackwolf]

Holy crap. Not even trying to disguise it.

[Apocalypto]

This can’t be real, you’re pulling my leg.

[Kelby]

@MoleUK

@sglazier456

Wow this is how the republic dies, to thunderous applause . You know you all deserve Hillary as president you do not deserve President Trump. May you get the leftist socialist governemnet you all want. Especially if you are too lazy to read and understand the facts. You might not like Alex and thats OK I don’t like everything he says or how he says it. I do defend to his right to have his view out there and he did not objectively violate their terms. They are being totally subjective and you here seem ok with that. Amazing you are not worthy of the freedom you have in this country IMHO

I’m not a US citizen.

You absolutely all deserve President Trump. Sorry.

Ouch.

But, you are right.

[Blackwolf]

@madasheck

Jones’ reaction on Facebook is so typical of him and hilarious.

Good Lord, he’s going to blow out an O ring.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@MoleUK

@Smyrna

I wasn’t really aware of Jones until his piece on Sandy Hook. That forever closed my ears to anything/everything from his mouth.

He’s unequivocally terrible, and he has quite the following.

Mostly libs … as far as I can tell. They are the ones always talking about him.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@MoleUK

This was from like a month ago.

So I can take that cartoon now and say “Look what MoleUK posted”. Ron Paul had that cartoon for the same reason you do… to illustrate racism. It was inadvertently posted by a staffer as though he was a proponent of the message… which he isn’t…

So why did you not tell the people here that?

[Samson_Corwell]

@Jezcoe

You have freedom of speech.

You have no right to a platform.

This annoys me. Freedom of speech is more than just trite legalism. People retreat into peddling this garbage when they either like the censorship taking place or when they don’t want to discuss the topic.

[Yakshi]

Good news.

[Samson_Corwell]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@MoleUK

This was from like a month ago.

So I can take that cartoon now and say “Look what MoleUK posted”. Ron Paul had that cartoon for the same reason you do… to illustrate racism. It was inadvertently posted by a staffer as though he was a proponent of the message… which he isn’t…

So why did you not tell the people here that?

Are you saying it was used in that tweet to illustrate racism?

[Samson_Corwell]

It’s terrible news. InfoWars is my favorite comedy podcast.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

@Samson_Corwell

@Call_me_Ishmael

@MoleUK

This was from like a month ago.

So I can take that cartoon now and say “Look what MoleUK posted”. Ron Paul had that cartoon for the same reason you do… to illustrate racism. It was inadvertently posted by a staffer as though he was a proponent of the message… which he isn’t…

So why did you not tell the people here that?

Are you saying it was used in that tweet to illustrate racism?

I said what I said.

[madasheck]

@zantax

@madasheck

@zantax

@Jezcoe

@Cratic3947

@Jezcoe

You are all over the place my man.

Jones has a right to free speech.

He doesn’t have a right to someone else’s platform.

It really isn’t hard.

I’m right where I have been. The left no longer supports free speech that much. You keep proving it with silly excuses of why it’s OK he was censored.

Your definition of free speech is has shifted to include something that was never intended.

The right to use someone else’s platform.

It is you that has changed what supporting free speech means.

Not me.

Might not be quite that simple.

from Supreme Court | Washington Examiner

While there may be a free speech issue when a state government bans individuals from using social media, it would seem that there is no such issue when Twitter does the same because the First Amendment applies only to government actors.

However, the justices’ shockingly forward-looking views open a potential game-changing loophole.

Long ago, the high court established that state constitutions may provide more protection than the U.S. Constitution when it comes to free speech, including the extension of rights to privately-owned spaces.

In 1980, in Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a California Supreme Court decision recognizing that California’s Constitution protected the right of high school students to gather signatures at a privately-owned shopping center for a petition objecting to a United Nations resolution that said Zionism was a form of racism.

Driving the California court’s reasoning was a concern that traditional public squares — the old “Main Street” — were giving way to privately-owned businesses. Consequently, the speech rights that Californians enjoyed in these public Main Street spaces would greatly diminish if a town’s center of gravity shifted to a mall and its owners were able to restrict speech because it’s on private property.

So there is precedent for constitutional right to speech being imposed on private business.

And this refers to printed material being distributed. It’s not the same as having podcasts available continually.

Yes, it’s materially the same, speech protections aren’t reliant on the form the speech is in.

Keep thinking that, but you’re wrong. To put it simply, there have been posts removed here because the mods felt they were objectionable. Same applies to Facebook, YouTube and Spotify. Not to mention you sign an agreement when you come on board any online site telling you to play by their rules. Your speech isn’t being infringed in their view, and according to their rules, they’re not. You may feel differently, but it’s their rules.

I wish a mod would comment on how this discussion relates to this board.

[Samson_Corwell]

@Call_me_Ishmael

@Samson_Corwell

@Call_me_Ishmael

@MoleUK

This was from like a month ago.

So I can take that cartoon now and say “Look what MoleUK posted”. Ron Paul had that cartoon for the same reason you do… to illustrate racism. It was inadvertently posted by a staffer as though he was a proponent of the message… which he isn’t…

So why did you not tell the people here that?

Are you saying it was used in that tweet to illustrate racism?

I said what I said.

I’m asking you to clarify.

[Samson_Corwell]

@madasheck

Not to mention you sign an agreement when you come on board any online site telling you to play by their rules.

No agreement is signed when someone uses a website. They don’t need a ToS to boot someone off.

[reflechissez]

@zantax

@MidwestIndy

@Cratic3947

Don’t you support the censoring of infowars, aren’t you a leftist?

I support the ability of businesses to decide what can potentially hurt them and take action against it.
Same reason why tOSU fired their assistant football coach recently who was a domestic violence abuser.

No I’m not a leftist, I’m a moderate.

I am thinking these platforms will eventually push this too far and give rise to their uncensored replacements. But banning Alex Jones isn’t going to do it.

What does that mean?

[goodbyte]

@Samson_Corwell

They don’t need a ToS to boot someone off.

Yup. Here’s the TOS for Twitter:

YOUR ACCESS TO ANY IHEARTMEDIA SITE MAY BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY IN IHEARTMEDIA’S SOLE DISCRETION, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE, IF YOU FAIL TO COMPLY WITH ANY PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND/OR ANY APPLICABLE ADDITIONAL TERMS, OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON, OR NO REASON.

… my bad that’s actually for this forum.

[Samson_Corwell]

He is saying that this will be the beginning of the end for Facebook, YouTube, and Apple.

I mean, really. He thinks that this will kill Apple, the company with a $1,000,000,000,000 market capitalization, the company that already exercises Sovietesque control over the devices it has manufactured?

[Samson_Corwell]

He is at fault for that, but I really do not think he is a racist.

[reflechissez]

@zantax

@reflechissez

@zantax

Might want to find a better poster boy for any boycott. Personally it’s going to be hard for me to participate since this site is prettty much my full engagement with social media aside from reading or hearing about what goes on there second hand from news outlets or other people.

When did this become about you?

He suggested a boycott as a remedy so I commented on that. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. I’ll post what I want when and where I want thanks.

Whoa!!! Down, Sparky.

[Forcefield]

@MoleUK

Look, these businesses can’t refuse their services to customers because they find their behavior offens…

Yeah just a hunch but I bet this guy supports the homophobic bakery.