Apology comparison Ingraham vs Bee

Joanne · 2018-06-04T18:10:51.637Z

Nemesis:

Joanne:

Nemesis:

No one is shaming Ivanka but she has to accept that by choosing to make herself part of her dads administration she will get attacked (not physically)

Now his 10 year old is different as he has no choice so the young kids should always be off limits

Criticism is always fair game to anyone who serves in an administration or is in office. What Bee said was not criticism, it was unhinged and vulgar.

And she apologized for it. Doesn’t change the fact that without Trumps creepy sexual obsession with his daughter the comment would never have been made.

Comedians get their material from the words and actions of others.

\You have no way of knowing that. It’s simply your assumption.

reflechissez · 2018-06-04T18:12:31.770Z

Roxiebelle:

madasheck:

Limbaugh, who made that comment, has a history of those types of things.

I heard Rush’s comment “live” and I knew he would get blowback on that one but I disagreed with him. Fluke presented herself and her college female classmates as women demanding payment in the form of free birth control for their sexual conduct. There is a different name for that and Rush used the wrong one.

Fluke (rhymes with truck) is a disgrace to the female gender.

They weren’t asking for “free” birth control. They wanted the health care insurance that they were already paying for to cover birth control. Ironically, the university’s health plan covered birth control. Did you forget this?

reflechissez · 2018-06-04T18:13:46.206Z

Smyrna:

madasheck:

Bee’s was more immediate. Ingraham needed more convincing. If she was really sorry, she would have apologized sooner. .

How do you manage to come up with so many ridiculous conclusions?

What I don’t get is how editors, producers, directors, supervisors, and content management personnel all felt that was a perfectly fine thing to say.

Not that surprising. Comedy doesn’t play it safe.

Playing it safe and crossing a line of respect as far as Samantha did is inexcusable…if…you have any couth? It’s now easy to see who does not.

You’re trump supporter. Do you really want to talk about couth?

reflechissez · 2018-06-04T18:14:55.926Z

Joanne:

Nemesis:

Joanne:

Nemesis:

No one is shaming Ivanka but she has to accept that by choosing to make herself part of her dads administration she will get attacked (not physically)

Now his 10 year old is different as he has no choice so the young kids should always be off limits

Criticism is always fair game to anyone who serves in an administration or is in office. What Bee said was not criticism, it was unhinged and vulgar.

And she apologized for it. Doesn’t change the fact that without Trumps creepy sexual obsession with his daughter the comment would never have been made.

Comedians get their material from the words and actions of others.

\You have no way of knowing that. It’s simply your assumption.

Oh, come on.

Nemesis · 2018-06-04T18:21:25.688Z

No idea. But comedy is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I don’t feel the term is appropriate but neither am I going to lose any sleep over it.

Get back to me when you hold Trump to the same standards as everyone’s else. He is setting a tone where personal insults are common place. He even insulted American POWs in the most disgusting way possible but he gets a pass from conservatives. So please spare me the fake outrage about what a comedian said.

Roxiebelle · 2018-06-04T18:21:32.454Z

madasheck:

The overall reaction to Fluke’s comments disagrees with you. More people praised her than didn’t.

OH I definitely dispute that!! Maybe in liberal elitist circles but not your average “normal” hard working American who actually knew anything about Fluke demanding they pay for her birth control. I’m sure she was called a lot worse then what Rush called her, I know I call her worse!

Smyrna · 2018-06-04T18:25:40.256Z

reflechissez:

You’re trump supporter. Do you really want to talk about couth?

Trump has a low standard of couth…now what?

Drawz · 2018-06-04T18:46:28.705Z

Borgia_dude_dude:

Roxiebelle:

madasheck:

Limbaugh, who made that comment, has a history of those types of things.

I heard Rush’s comment “live” and I knew he would get blowback on that one but I disagreed with him. Fluke presented herself and her college female classmates as women demanding payment in the form of free birth control for their sexual conduct. There is a different name for that and Rush used the wrong one.

Fluke (rhymes with truck) is a disgrace to the female gender.

It isn’t free, it’s part of the health insurance they pay for. Also, that health insurance covers erectile dysfunction medications to help men with their sexual conduct. Not much complaint there.

Also, i’m not certain but I seem to recall that female faculty and staff did have contraception covered under their insurance.

reflechissez · 2018-06-04T19:10:33.045Z

Drawz:

Borgia_dude_dude:

Roxiebelle:

madasheck:

Limbaugh, who made that comment, has a history of those types of things.

I heard Rush’s comment “live” and I knew he would get blowback on that one but I disagreed with him. Fluke presented herself and her college female classmates as women demanding payment in the form of free birth control for their sexual conduct. There is a different name for that and Rush used the wrong one.

Fluke (rhymes with truck) is a disgrace to the female gender.

It isn’t free, it’s part of the health insurance they pay for. Also, that health insurance covers erectile dysfunction medications to help men with their sexual conduct. Not much complaint there.

Also, i’m not certain but I seem to recall that female faculty and staff did have contraception covered under their insurance.

You are correct. And the students were paying higher premiums since the employees were being subsidized.

gooddad409 · 2018-06-04T19:36:41.721Z

The left has always been quite accomplished in the insult department.

There was no comedy from Bee.

madasheck · 2018-06-04T20:21:23.393Z

Roxiebelle:

madasheck:

The overall reaction to Fluke’s comments disagrees with you. More people praised her than didn’t.

OH I definitely dispute that!! Maybe in liberal elitist circles but not your average “normal” hard working American who actually knew anything about Fluke demanding they pay for her birth control. I’m sure she was called a lot worse then what Rush called her, I know I call her worse!

When Carly Fiorina condemns Rush Limbaugh, you know Limbaugh had very few people supporting him.

cbsnews.com

Fiorina: Rush Limbaugh's comments about student "insulting," "incendiary"

Backlash grows over Limbaugh comments attacking young woman as "slut" and "prostitute"

Nemesis · 2018-06-04T21:14:41.824Z

That’s the best you have isn’t it. You can’t defend a President who has not only take no insulting and belittling to a new level but is also a sex pest with definite unhealthy inclinations towards his daughter. But hey that’s the new 21st conservative for you.

As I said comedy is in the eye of the beholder.

gooddad409 · 2018-06-04T21:17:51.599Z

Just the facts man.

ToT · 2018-06-04T22:13:22.799Z

Why would they just delete the tweets? Some may have, but those pictures just showed kids that had crossed alone and the admin was looking for their parents or relatives to join them as quickly as possible.

What is ■■■■■■■■ is you and others making false statements the way you did saying that the Obama admin had been doing the same thing your apparent new hero ■■■■■■■■ Trump and his admin are doing.

Just stop posting false information. Okay?

Nemesis · 2018-06-04T22:50:35.792Z

You have become quite the Trump apologist.

My daughters did not sit on my lap when they were 15 nor have I ever said that I would date my daughters if they were not my daughters. Those sort of thoughts just never occur to me nor any right minded father. Nor have I ever mused or considered if it is wrong to be more sexually attracted to my daughters than my wife. Why the ■■■■ would any father ever think let alone say something like that?

If you think that is normal behaviour (and a regular poster on the old forum did) then you have no business being anywhere near kids.

Mountain_Soldier · 2018-06-05T16:13:07.028Z

Nemesis:

That’s the best you have isn’t it. You can’t defend a President who has not only take no insulting and belittling to a new level but is also a sex pest with definite unhealthy inclinations towards his daughter. But hey that’s the new 21st conservative for you.

As I said comedy is in the eye of the beholder.

Is it ok to call women sluts again, since it’s clearly ok to call them ■■■■■■

Smyrna · 2018-06-05T16:39:44.542Z

Nemesis:

That’s the best you have isn’t it. You can’t defend a President who has not only take no insulting and belittling to a new level but is also a sex pest with definite unhealthy inclinations towards his daughter. But hey that’s the new 21st conservative for you.

As I said comedy is in the eye of the beholder.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zc9OrDu9hZY/TWfiwi_enxI/AAAAAAAABK0/pNE6LwutW4c/s1600/RainMan21.jpg def…definitely

Drawz · 2018-06-05T16:48:20.124Z

Depends on what you mean by, “ok” I guess. Bee called a woman a ■■■■■ people got upset, she apologized and she still has her job. Rush called a woman a slut, people got upset, he apologized and he still has his job.

Mountain_Soldier · 2018-06-06T13:39:38.162Z

Borgia_dude_dude:

I recall there was a long debate about what constitutes an apology when Ingraham “apologized” to Hogg. Let’s take a look at Samantha Bee’s apology compared to Ingraham.

First off, Bee apologized the next day when people started complaining. This was before advertisers threatened to leave. Ingraham apologized later, after advertisers threatened to leave.

Let’s look at the wording:

Ingraham: Any student should be proud of a 4.2 GPA —incl. @DavidHogg111. On reflection, in the spirit of Holy Week, I apologize for any upset or hurt my tweet caused him or any of the brave victims of Parkland.

Bee: “I would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed a line, and I deeply regret it.

Which apology is better?

Btw, I’ll be upfront that Bee used far harsher language but Ingraham was attacking a child.

Apologies came after the threats of sponsors dropping. It wasn’t preemptive. Nice try though.

Smyrna · 2018-06-06T13:57:17.280Z

….and the apology was immediately given by her station. Nowhere has it been shown that it was her change of heart.