AOC take CEO to task over high drug cost

Dissident_Aggressor · 2019-05-17T16:38:02.416Z

adroit:

I’d absolutely love for us to create the NASA equivalent of pharmaceuticals.

I’d love for the government to create the NASA equivalent of absolutely everything. I’m sure the competency level of these departments would be stunning, their efficiency level would be unparalleled and the cost to the taxpayers would be minimal. Plus we’d never have to worry about those evil people making profits ever again.

SeaManatee · 2019-05-17T16:49:48.069Z

thinkingman:

huh. a thread about AOC and pharm, and all everyone talks about is trump…

thinkingman:

it’s good to see AOC following trump’s lead here finally:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/09/trump-administration-hopes-listing-drug-prices-on-tv-ad-will-lower-cost.html

Hmmmmmmmm. It’s a puzzler alright.

toreyj01 · 2019-05-17T18:00:11.741Z

Well struck!

highroller · 2019-05-17T19:04:00.205Z

I don’t see anything wrong with having a public discussion about drug prices.

AOC: Why are your drug prices so high?

Company: Because we can!

If you want lower prices, change the law so it encourages lower prices. I seem to remember before the election the TPP agreement exported our patent protect on drugs to the other countries, so Trump pulling us out actually helped those people avoid sky-high drug prices.

thinkingman · 2019-05-17T20:37:29.730Z

SeaManatee:

thinkingman:

huh. a thread about AOC and pharm, and all everyone talks about is trump…

thinkingman:

it’s good to see AOC following trump’s lead here finally:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/09/trump-administration-hopes-listing-drug-prices-on-tv-ad-will-lower-cost.html

Hmmmmmmmm. It’s a puzzler alright.

oh dear i seem to have contradicted myself…

■■■■■■■■■ i referenced trump in relation to the twinklie eyed idiot as he was addressing the same issue

nice try

markdido · 2019-05-17T22:10:23.338Z

kingarthur65:

Dissident_Aggressor:

The thread title seems to imply ole AOC had the upper hand, but based on the exchange in the OP, it wasn’t that way at all. First, she doesn’t understand the difference between revenue and profit and even if she does, she got it wrong and was corrected. Second, she didn’t get the price right and of course fell on the high side. Again, she was corrected. Then she announces that she doesn’t know how patents work, or if she does, she couldn’t work out that explained the difference in price between here and Australia.

Pretty poor showing, actually.

Good post. Now can you do a similar break down on Trump’s statements on tariffs?

Srart a thread on that champ and quit trying to derail this one.

zantax · 2019-05-18T12:00:16.242Z

adroit:

Well, no one died for not being able to afford Cardi B. People are dying because they can’t afford their insulin. That was invented a century ago. Because for-profit pharmas have been hiking up the price at over double the rate of inflation for no other reason than because they can.

The insulin of today is not the same as the insulin of a century ago. And the main reason an older out of patent generic isn’t on the market is because of the cost of shipping and handling insulin. Even a generic would be relatively expensive for that reason.

7ranz · 2019-05-18T14:07:07.666Z

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

As a student of economics I understand that it makes perfect sense that taking a drug that reduces the risk of HIV should cost $8 dollars in AUS and $1,500 in the U.S.

Thats just how economics works. There’s no reason for anything. That’s just science.

7ranz · 2019-05-18T14:11:44.521Z

[Zizek voice] this spit take is pure ideology [end Zizek voice]

Samson_Corwell · 2019-05-18T14:55:05.349Z

7ranz:

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

As a student of economics I understand that it makes perfect sense that taking a drug that reduces the risk of HIV should cost $8 dollars in AUS and $1,500 in the U.S.

Thats just how economics works. There’s no reason for anything. That’s just science.

Appeals to economics are poorly disguised value judgments.

7ranz · 2019-05-18T18:06:06.547Z

Samson_Corwell:

7ranz:

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

As a student of economics I understand that it makes perfect sense that taking a drug that reduces the risk of HIV should cost $8 dollars in AUS and $1,500 in the U.S.

Thats just how economics works. There’s no reason for anything. That’s just science.

Appeals to economics are poorly disguised value judgments.

Yup.

10 Char

Samson_Corwell · 2019-05-20T04:03:23.185Z

thinkingman:

SeaManatee:

thinkingman:

huh. a thread about AOC and pharm, and all everyone talks about is trump…

thinkingman:

it’s good to see AOC following trump’s lead here finally:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/09/trump-administration-hopes-listing-drug-prices-on-tv-ad-will-lower-cost.html

Hmmmmmmmm. It’s a puzzler alright.

oh dear i seem to have contradicted myself…

■■■■■■■■■ i referenced trump in relation to the twinklie eyed idiot as he was addressing the same issue

nice try

Conservatism elitism on display.

Samson_Corwell · 2019-05-20T04:04:21.157Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Samson_Corwell:

Patents are an unnatural government-created privilege.

Are you for eliminating patent protections?

A few, yes.

Samson_Corwell · 2019-05-20T04:08:27.773Z

adroit:

Sounds like a great market to nationalize. If an entire industry can’t survive without government enforce monopoly, rather than the free market, perhaps it shouldn’t reap any profits?

I’ve dispensed with the model of “the free market” about three years ago. The industry requires government intervention in the form of patents just like other businesses require government intervention in the form of physical property. Because “intervention” is always there it’s not a useful criterion for judging success/failure of a thing.

We should not nationalize pharmaceutical companies.

Samson_Corwell · 2019-05-20T04:09:27.323Z

DMK:

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

Sadly, I doubt she learned anything. She does not appear to research matters very well to understand both sides so as to be well versed when asking questions.

More conservatism elitism.

thinkingman · 2019-05-20T04:19:44.186Z

Samson_Corwell:

DMK:

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

Sadly, I doubt she learned anything. She does not appear to research matters very well to understand both sides so as to be well versed when asking questions.

More conservatism elitism.

what do you call it when she scolds that she is “the boss” to anyone not buying her green new deal?

LouC · 2019-05-20T04:22:39.592Z

So has the ‘love to hate’ affair between AOC and all the scared old white male Congress critters begun to wain some?

I haven’t been seeing the exploding head breathless outrage from the Right Wing of late like I had been seeing?

Perhaps her fear factor novelty has worn off some?

Samson_Corwell · 2019-05-20T09:28:07.316Z

thinkingman:

Samson_Corwell:

DMK:

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

Sadly, I doubt she learned anything. She does not appear to research matters very well to understand both sides so as to be well versed when asking questions.

More conservatism elitism.

what do you call it when she scolds that she is “the boss” to anyone not buying her green new deal?

Entertaining and amusing.

thinkingman · 2019-05-20T10:47:46.846Z

Samson_Corwell:

thinkingman:

Samson_Corwell:

DMK:

thinkingman:

sounds like AOC learned just a little more about how economics works while trying to attack someone over their profits, sticking her foot in her big petulant mouth once again

Sadly, I doubt she learned anything. She does not appear to research matters very well to understand both sides so as to be well versed when asking questions.

More conservatism elitism.

what do you call it when she scolds that she is “the boss” to anyone not buying her green new deal?

Entertaining and amusing.

hmm yeah of course

shes the one with the ability to influence policy, acts outright petulant and arrogant, but anonymous posters on a message board are “elitist” when critical

do you work for msnbc? just curious

adroit · 2019-05-20T17:33:19.219Z

Samson_Corwell:

I’ve dispensed with the model of “the free market” about three years ago. The industry requires government intervention in the form of patents just like other businesses require government intervention in the form of physical property. Because “intervention” is always there it’s not a useful criterion for judging success/failure of a thing.

We should not nationalize pharmaceutical companies.

What’s your argument for not nationalizing them?