Gaius
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Probably: the deputy tried to stop him and the man did not comply.
I REALLY do not believe the deputy said “Look there’s a black man walking toward a house. I think I’ll shoot him.”
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Again, the law does not require a prior conviction. He was a felony suspect and armed.
Again, if the Deputy’s story is true.
I got it Gaius, that’s just me playing off of your ball.
tzu
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"Rampaging criminals’ is myth. It is also an authoritarian impulse which I reject without qualification.
The police are the interface at which the worst elements of state violence meet the people with the fewest means to address the penetration of the state into their lives.
Unlike with other forms of domination - like elite banking or foreign policy - it’s an area average citizens can have immediate policy impact.
If you are unwilling to restrict the cops, I doubt you will ever be willing to confront the elites who put them on the streets.
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That is far from universal in unlawful police shootings. Many could be prevented with effective de-escalation training.
Jezcoe
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We don’t know that.
He had no due process to determine whether or not he was indeed a felon.
Innocent until proven guilty.
What we do know is that he was legally permitted to conceal carry, that he had no prior record, he was entering his own home and he was shot in the back until dead.
No one was in danger, he wasn’t a felon, and there is no video prof of the policeman’s claim.
Seems fishy.
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We’re talking about a specific case here.
I agree with the rest. Cops also tend to be on power trips and escalate rather than deescalate.
In another case mentioned above there were two officers involved, one doing a fantastic job of attempting to deescalate the situation and the other out of control and in in a panic.
And again the law does not require conviction only that the suspect be observed by the officers, fleeing, be armed, and be a felony suspect to justify shooting them.
We don’t know what if any prior record he had, only the statements made by the family.
The side conversation we were having was about 200 unlawful police killings. Slow down, you’re losing track.
Everyone he pointed that gun at was in danger as was the family in the home if the story is true.
Jezcoe
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Too bad there isn’t video footage of all of this.
Or convenient… pick one.
No I’m not, one person is the subject of this thread.
We don’t know this to be one of the unlawful killings yet.
And again you don’t know that to be true, no such statement has come from the police.
Guvnah
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Are you assuming the cop could know it was the guy’s own house?
Jezcoe
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He had a conceal carry permit.
We Know that they hand those out to criminals like candy.
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We had a side conversation going and you went off track.
Jezcoe
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We don’t know if he was pointing a gun at anyone.
One set of deputies said he was driving down the street waving a gun, Meade, the officer who shot him, said he had a gun but said nothing about him brandishing it.
Zero details about the stop have been provided.
What we do know is that a man was killed by the police while entering his own house.
Everything else is speculation.
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Jezcoe
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Yeah. Bad luck for the policeman that it was.