Another our bad wrong address

[WuWei]

@W_and_C

@Supreme_War_Pig

Ah. But qualified immunity may well result in the case being thrown out and the family getting nothing.

I’ll be honest, I have not read up much on qualified immunity subject so I’ll defer to you here; you may well be right.

And you’ve never carried a gun.

Why are you here talking about “draw”?

[WuWei]

Not everyone.

[WuWei]

@floydefisher

So you think the cops should have a duty to retreat in the face of gunfire?

Why should the cops not have the same right of self-defense as the homeowner?

The gunfire was one way.

On his property?

[WuWei]

Not what happened. You are creating a fantasy narrative to rationalize. Adding in your own details.

[WuWei]

@Supreme_War_Pig

increasingly armed citizenry

No. You went too far.

[WuWei]

@Steel-W0LF

@floydefisher

So from your viewpoint, because the cops got lost and went to the wrong address, they should have to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the homeowner?

Wow, just wow.

They are always free to seek another line of work. Police need to be public motivated rather than self preservation.

Aid rather than force?

Serve rather than enforce?

[bigtwnvin]

What a cluster ■■■■■
Three cops discharged their weapons?
The homeowner stepped outside his/ her home raising and pointing a weapon at the LEOs correct?
If so and I’m not familiar with NM castle doctrine but here in FL the so-called “stand your ground” and “retreat no further” defenses only apply inside the home or inside a vehicle.
With a valid CCWP you cannot draw your weapon and use lethal force unless you are threatened with lethal force.
Tragedy, a family will never be the same and the LEOs likely will likely lose their jobs having to live with their decisions to shoot.
Did the radio dispatch give the wrong address?
Gawd

[Smyrna]

@WuWei

I love how these stories grow with each telling “raised the gun”.

They shot because they saw a gun.

It is not illegal to be armed in this country.

He was “brandishing” his weapon and that escalated this whole matter IMO to what the officer’s reasonably believed was a life/death situation.

bran·dish
[ˈbrandiSH]
VERB
wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement:
“a man leaped out brandishing a knife”

[W_and_C]

@WuWei

@W_and_C

I’d say have the weapon on you or within reach but not draw coming out the door.

You have no idea what you’re prattling about.

He didn’t “draw”, he was in his pajamas. How do you imagine “on you”?

Did you read the article and watch the video ?

[W_and_C]

@WuWei

@W_and_C

@Supreme_War_Pig

Ah. But qualified immunity may well result in the case being thrown out and the family getting nothing.

I’ll be honest, I have not read up much on qualified immunity subject so I’ll defer to you here; you may well be right.

And you’ve never carried a gun.

Why are you here talking about “draw”?

Well, it’s a discussion board; thought it was ok to discuss things

[W_and_C]

@bigtwnvin

What a cluster ■■■■■
Three cops discharged their weapons?
The homeowner stepped outside his/ her home raising and pointing a weapon at the LEOs correct?
If so and I’m not familiar with NM castle doctrine but here in FL the so-called “stand your ground” and “retreat no further” defenses only apply inside the home or inside a vehicle.
With a valid CCWP you cannot draw your weapon and use lethal force unless you are threatened with lethal force.
Tragedy, a family will never be the same and the LEOs likely will likely lose their jobs having to live with their decisions to shoot.
Did the radio dispatch give the wrong address?
Gawd

He was literally in his doorway so at least partially still inside

[bigtwnvin]

I’m not defending anyone. But showing your weapon opening a door is risky.

[Smyrna]

@Samm

It doesn’t matter, it’s our right. We should not be killed for availing ourselves of a right even if someone else thinks doing so was “not smart”? What right does a policeman have to shoot you for doing something that is within your rights any more than if it were me pounding on your door late at night. Could I get away with shooting you too?

Yes…this man has the right but he’s also entering into a situation, right outside of his door, where those there are armed and on a high alert status. Although I may have the right, I also have the sense to find out what’s going on before I open a door I’m safer behind and bring a loaded weapon into the situation. Regarding this, I can see both sides but from the path I’d have chosen, it differs from that of the home owner.

[W_and_C]

@bigtwnvin

I’m not defending anyone. But showing your weapon opening a door is risky.

Very much so

[Smyrna]

@floydefisher

So what is the homeowner supposed to do? Come to the door unarmed and pray it’s not a home invasion in progress?

This is a situation where neither side is right or wrong. Police have the right to defend themselves here, as does the homeowner.

The only way to fix this, is to force one side or the other to become a sacrificial lamb. Exactly who should be sacrificed for the other?

I’m a conservative and I’d take the conservative approach which IMO would be to assess what’s going on outside, from a hidden vantage point of safety…inside my home. Once I’ve determined what I’m dealing with…I’d deal with it appropriately and that may very well be armed with a gun.

That said, I agree with your assessment from a legal POV.

[WuWei]

@bigtwnvin

and pointing a weapon at the LEOs correct?

No.

@bigtwnvin

The homeowner stepped outside his/ her home

No.

@bigtwnvin

the LEOs likely will likely lose their jobs having to live with their decisions to shoot.

No

[WuWei]

No.
…

[WuWei]

Yes.
…

[WuWei]

Try doing it from a place of knowledge. Pretty easy to blame the dead guy.

[Smyrna]

@WuWei

No.

We agree on much but in this case, we don’t and that’s ok too.