I hope you never get the impression that I am harsh with you, because I do consider you a thoughtful and considerate poster and enjoy conversing with you.

We may disagree on things, but we are never disagreeable and I do appreciate it.

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How can a message be delivered then be gone?

Great exchange!

Thanks!

That is the nature of the vaccine, it is a transport for instructions to the body’s cells. Once the instructions are delivered the messengers are eliminated through normal cellular processes.

You cannot “swap” RNA, or have this RNA take over your own RNA. It doesn’t work that way, it would be rejected and destroyed. The whole trick of this vaccine was trying to find a way to have the message delivered before the body destroyed it. It took over 2 decades to figure it out, it was a miracle of science.

With this technology you could instruct cells to do a whole host of things, like target a cell that is cancerous, to boost dopamine levels in depressed patients, to destroy plaques that cause alzheimer’s.

And it would be your own, fully “updated” immune system, that does it.

Again, these are instructions carried by a messenger. Our bodies are capable of amazing things if it just had the knowledge to do so. These carry the education our bodies need to beat this virus.

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My dearest Torey.

Your heart is in the right place. How can I ever disagree with a person’s heart?

I am simply trying to ask if we can build a bridge and how can we do that.

We both want to save lives, yes?

There are those who don’t want the vaccine. How can and what can we do to help?

Is that such an awful premise?

Are there any unintended or unforeseen consequences? I think that is the big question no one can answer.

Not according to the internet trolls. Which is why people need to discuss this with their doctor. Not some dark web basement dweller.

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:anguished:

Come ON, people!

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Anecdotal, I know, but just dropped off my car at the shop and found out the service advisor I’d worked with there for years died of covid last week. He was not vaccinated. I’ve known several people who’ve had covid, but this is the first one I’ve known that died. He was a good dude and left behind a wife and kids. Very sad.

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Exactly. Who wants to be dead at 45…gasping for breath on a ventilator.

I don’t know anyone who wants that, yet the unvaxxed have that death wish.

Allan

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I’ve had the Rona. I still have some breathing issues. Which is why I hate masking. It was hellish for me. I would take 50 shots before I went through that again.

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We can’t shame people. It won’t work and will just get them to dig in deeper. Nobody who is unvaccinated now gives a ■■■■ what Joe Biden or any other politician has to say. We can hope that hearing from other people who held the same view as them and are now dealing with covid will get them to reconsider

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Shame is barely useful past the age of six, so I endorse this too.

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What’s funny is you think your big threat is going to change these peoples minds. This is what we get when some people think they can treat adults like children.
Many of the people who are not getting vaccinated don’t use public transportation, they don’t go to concretes, ball games, movies or bars, most of them could care less if they eat out. Now what are you going to do? Refuse to let them buy fuel, rent an place to live, have electricity, have a phone, buy food? Are you going to round up all the unvaccinated and lock them in camps until they bend to your will?
Watching the vax pushers has been an eye opener for me.

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They seem to desire some form of medical slavery.

Americans (most of them) are a proud and freedom loving people.

They will never put up with it.

Pregnant women were carved out. I posted it.

:rofl: Good one.

They weren’t carved out, they were highlighted for further study, as they are for any EUA. Meaning they were to be continually studied in the event of unforeseen events. Such as what we saw with Thalidomide. But you don’t withhold therapy because of this. There are loads of stories of pregnant women dying with their baby inside because of COVID, they need it as much if not more than anyone. Bonus! The baby is immune as well.

It isn’t a threat, it is what is going to happen next, because that is what is legal and appropriate to do. And not everyone is going to go along, I totally agree with that. I just don’t think it will be enough people to stop us from gaining herd immunity.