And suddenly, Liberals do have self control

[adroit]

@ImRightYoureWrong

I believe a reasonable middle ground is 3 months. You get 3 months to decide if you want an abortion. After that, it’s illegal unless medical emergency

Negative. The current standards set by Casey are just fine. You have until viability, and then the state can regulate given their interest in a viable fetus. Some women—having highly irregular periods—may not even know they are pregnant at 12 weeks. It’s not uncommon.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Optrader

I’ve said many times it’s just a means that allows people to have sex with whoever, whenever they want without regard to consequence

You say that like women love getting abortions and dont make efforts to be on birth control. Abortion can be and most of the time is a very painfully emotional experience - for both the man and the woman. Women don’t just have sex and say “well I’ll just get a couple more abortions”

[Optrader]

Any man that would ask, expect or demand a woman get an abortion because of his mutual decision to have sex with her is a dirtbag. But then why would a woman have sex with a dirtbag to begin with?
Perhaps these things should be discussed BEFORE jumping into bed… Just a thought.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

I honestly have no idea, but ok make it 5 months?

[adroit]

@ImRightYoureWrong

I honestly have no idea, but ok make it 5 months?

Why change the standard from viability?

[wiley8425]

Seriously? Because dirtbags don’t lie to women or anything. Get real.

[Optrader]

@Borgia_dude

@Optrader

I’m absolutely amazed then by the call by liberal spokesperson Alyssa Milano for women to ABSTAIN FROM SEX, until the full rights to unfettered murder of unborn children are returned to all women in the US. But WAIT A MINUTE… I thought abstinence was unrealistic and impossible??? When there is no consequence it is, but when there may be consequences there isn’t?? Which is it?

Milano’s threat won’t work so your point is invalid. It actually supports the liberal point.

If she is publicly calling for abstinence, then she must have an idea that it’s possible.

[adroit]

@Optrader

If she is publicly calling for abstinence, then she must have an idea that it’s possible.

It’s a PR stunt. Nothing more.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

I really dont know, I’m a little foggy right now

[Borgia_dude]

@wiley8425

Of course. Government shouldn’t be paying for it. Personally, I’d rather government did pay for it. I’d rather they pay for that then the plethora of other things they already pay for that have absolutely no benefit to the majority of us. I think we can all agree less kids that end up being taken care of by the State is a common good.

I am harkening back to the study in Colorado that paid for IUDs for young women. The abortion rate fell drastically. But when brought up on this forum conservatives, for the most part, were adamantly against the IUD plan. They would rather live with more abortions than to have to have govt pay for the IUDs.

Quite revealing where their priorities lie.

[Optrader]

@adroit

Abstinence isn’t impossible. However, it is unrealistic as a means of effective birth control given real world data as it relates to policy.

People have sex. Lots of people. The most effective way to minimize unwanted pregnancies is to maximize long-acting reversible contraception such as IUDs. Because science.

I actually agree this would be effective. Just pointing out the holes in the usual liberal narrative on the matter.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Optrader

Perhaps these things should be discussed BEFORE jumping into bed… Just a thought.

Ya talking about abortion is great foreplay.

[wiley8425]

I don’t agree with that. I understand it, but I don’t agree with it. Kind of seems like that is one of the things government should be taking care of. There’s certainly worse things the government could be doing where women and their wombs are concerned. Look at China.

[Borgia_dude]

@Optrader

If she is publicly calling for abstinence, then she must have an idea that it’s possible.

That’s nice for her. I wasn’t aware Milano represents the mind of liberalism.

[adroit]

@Optrader

I actually agree this would be effective. Just pointing out the holes in the usual liberal narrative on the matter.

There are no holes. There are mountains of evidence to back up the “narrative.”

One actress doing a PR stunt doesn’t refute that evidence.

[wiley8425]

She doesn’t. She is low hanging fruit though.

[Optrader]

@Borgia_dude

@adroit

The most effective way to minimize unwanted pregnancies is to maximize long-acting reversible contraception such as IUDs. Because science.

Conservatives oppose any govt involvement in birth control. They would rather kill fetuses until abortionnis outlawed than to subsidize birth control.

Because condoms are SO expensive?? Sex outside of marriage has many unintended consequences, that’s why God says don’t do it.

[wiley8425]

Condoms are less expensive than the foster care system.

[adroit]

@Optrader

Because condoms are SO expensive?? Sex outside of marriage has many unintended consequences, that’s why God says don’t do it.

Condoms suck. They make sex barely enjoyable. They can break. They aren’t nearly as effective as LARCs. Again, that real-world data not supporting your position.

[Optrader]

@CaughtInTheMiddle

@wiley8425

Yeah. Sure is.

Cheating

Wha??

Did you get cheated on or something? Is that what this is all about?

Because woman who get pregnant are not simply women who are cheating (many times with men who cheat). Sometimes there are 9 year old girls who were raped. Sometimes it’s a happily married woman who is on birth control and it doesn’t work. Sometimes it’s a boyfriend and a girlfriend in college who aren’t responsible.

And sometimes men like our president cheat on their wives with porn stars.

All true. ( Except no, neither my wife or myself cheat on each other.)