An Honest Question For You Liberals

Since Donald Trump is once again taking up student loan forgiveness, I’d like to do a contrast and comparison if I may with another forgiveness program most of us are somewhat familiar with.

Since the dawn of the republic, we have had in one form or another a program called ‘bankruptcy’. Yes, you are let off the hook for your loans, but there are penalties to be paid.

When a business files bankruptcy (like the Trump Casino), the business is then taken over by creditors and sold to another entity in order to recoup the losses. If you have ever had a business taken away from you, you know how painful that is.

When a person like myself files bankruptcy, they also incur penalties. They range from a low credit score, to being unable to apply for jobs that require a security clearance. More than 20 years after I filed bankruptcy, I’m still paying those penalties.

Let’s contrast that with student loan forgiveness. You want that loan wrote off, with precisely zero penalties attached to it. Poof, it’s gone, and people just go about their lives as if nothing ever happened.

So, after all that, here’s my question: why is student loans debt so special, that it deserves to be forgiven with zero consequences?

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Wow! You must have had a suckie lawyer.

I filed Chapter 7, 20 years ago, two years after hitting the nuclear option we bought a house.

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You do realize I’m also paying for not being able to work jobs that require a security clearance?

I was an electronics tech. Without a clearance, the only jobs I can work are for like minimum wage at Best Buy.

Let’s not go down the rathole of analyzing a specific person’s financial circumstances.

@floydefisher is raising an important discussion about forgiving student debts.

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First, the Biden programs aren’t zero consequence. They allow you to wait till you are earning before you start repaying.

For me, this makes sense. It’s good for the country to have an educated citizenry. And of course it’s good for the citizen personally. But tuition has become a runaway train for a number of reasons we seem incapable of addressing.

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I am all for student loan forgiveness as long as it is accompied by a complete overhaul of how student loans are adminstered.

Some ideas - Capped low interest rate, no additional admin fees. Repayments start a set period after starting full time employment.

But the mad obsession America has in sending kids to college has to stop. High schools need to educate students on alternatives.

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Try the IBEW. As far as I know they couldn’t care less if you had a felony conviction. At least out here. Building apartments everywhere. Plenty of construction work.

Anyway, sorry for your hardship. I pray things get better for you.

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The obvious reason for excluding bankruptcy is the temptation to declare it right after graduation when you have few assets. I would allow it maybe ten years after a person graduates. No one is going to intentionally stay poor and with few assets for a decade to,get out of paying on a student debt. And if they are still in that situation, obviously schooling didn’t pay off for them.

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If you earn more, than shouldn’t you be able to pay off your student loans with no problems?

Seriously, the avg college grad earns $20k more than high school grads. Every year.

Shouldn’t it be a snap to pay off those loans?

I’m 63 years old now. I think IBEW wants younger people.

Thanks for the help though. I am doing OK as is so you know. I’m just a firm believer that things like loan forgiveness should have consequences.

Yes. That’s how the biden program worked. The more you made, the more you paid. The less you made, the less you had to repay.

As you earn more, your obligation for payments increased.

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And that isn’t what I’m talking about. Repayment based on your earnings is not the same thing as the loans being written off.

That is what you want, and I want to know why it’s so holy, it deserves to be written off.

Why are student loans so special that they aren’t forgiven in bankruptcy like all the loans you are let off the hook for?

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The thing about student loans and bankruptcy is that in bankruptcy you show that your debts significantly exceed your assets (and assets can even get liquidated to satisfy some of those debts.) And a young adult right out of school with school loans is almost guaranteed to be in that boat. He doesn’t have any assets. He has student loans. So BANKRUPT!!

On that alone I can understand the fact that you can’t list student loans in bankruptcy.

I don’t like the fact that the loans are held by the government. It should never have gotten in the student loan business. In my opinion, the final responsibility for the loan should rest on the institution where it was used. Make the college stand behind the value of the degree they confer to the student. Make the college responsible for selecting students who are most likely to finish their degree. With million- and billion-dollar endowments, the funding pool is available for that. (And if the loans are made to credit-worthy students, that pool would generate income for the school.)

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Good post.

I’m not for forgive. I would support “refinancing” at a very low interest rate.

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I told you why I flavor some forms of college loan forgiveness.

And FTR I don’t favor blacker forgiveness. I like the graduated earnings based schedule.

When you continue to earn $20k more than a high school grad, a low credit score isn’t much of a barrier. And unlike me, they aren’t dependent on security clearances to get jobs either.

So, let’s talk about an appropriate penalty. How should we penalize people who want student loan forgiveness?

(note: this is from the government. If Jeff Bezos wants to use his money to pay off the student loans taken out by Amazon employees, I say let him).

I could even go no interest loans. But they got to pay it back.

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That’s an interesting concept.

Now where did I say that? :rofl: