American infrastructure is failing period

[CanadianJudo]

@Call_me_Ishmael

It will be cool to watch the handwaving logic and libsplaining with hand puppets when they put these chargers in the areas of the country where electricity that feeds the charging station is provided by fossil fuels.

expand nuclear.
look that was easy.

[CanadianJudo]

@tnt

@zantax

They aren’t expensive, you can buy a level 3 commercial charger for under 3k

Looks like hte plan is for the govt. to stimulate private EV charging development. Doesn’t say how. Probably tax credits?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36017463/biden-23-trillion-infrastructure-plan-electric-cars/

I mean BIden want to buy 600,000 EV by 2024.
most likely tax credit and breaks for private companies to install them.

[JayJay]

DC fast chargers of the type needed to service EVs cost six figures to acquire and install.

I guarantee we look at your $3k figure and we will find you are looking at a woefully inadequate charger.

[CanadianJudo]

@tnt

@Smyrna

Now…convert this to government gas stations so that it will equate to government charging stations and post that link. I’ll wait…

No. zthe charging stations are akin to highway rest stops. The government builds them, then leases them to private concerns.

Same with the charging stations. Government will get the infrastructure in place then private concerns will manage them.

Nah not even that.

the government will go to private companies and be like “we want to install charging station here, here and here and we will give you this, that, and this to do it”

the company get a fat government contract and the government get infrastructure built.

[CanadianJudo]

@JayJay

DC fast chargers of the type needed to service EVs cost six figures to acquire and install.

I guarantee we look at your $3k figure and we will find you are looking at a woefully inadequate charger.

things add up fast when you start calculating labour.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Cheaper for you maybe, but not the taxpayers.

No cheaper for a lot of people.

Most of the people being forced to pay for it will never even see it, let alone ride on it. And for what? So a bunch of rich Californians can save a a couple of hours and a few bucks to go to Vegas and lose their money in casinos?

[Samm]

@Steel-W0LF

Give back what I paid in at 0% interest and I’d gladly opt out of it.

I was fortunate to have a job that was opted out of SS in 1980. I had no regrets about potentially losing the money I had paid in up to that point. However, because I was already vested in the system, when I turned 70 I was forced to file for benefits. Even so, they penalized me by reducing my benefit based on years worked and contributions made, by about 45% … because I had opted out.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

Most of the people being forced to pay for it will never even see it, let alone ride on it. And for what? So a bunch of rich Californians can save a a couple of hours and a few bucks to go to Vegas and lose their money in casinos?

Why was a series of highway built between Vegas and Los Angeles?

Using your logic people paid for a road they might never use and it’s only for people to go to Vegas and lose money

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

Most of the people being forced to pay for it will never even see it, let alone ride on it. And for what? So a bunch of rich Californians can save a a couple of hours and a few bucks to go to Vegas and lose their money in casinos?

Why was a series of highway built between Vegas and Los Angeles?

Using your logic people paid for a road they might never use and it’s only for people to go to Vegas and lose money

You just don’t get it, do you.

[Samm]

@Guilds

@Steel-W0LF

You do realize don’t you that your pie chart doesn’t include the “welfare state” because it’s considered non-discretionary and your chart is for discretionary spending… right?

Of course I do.
Does SS and Medicare directly add to the deficit like discretionary spending?

Yes.
…

[Samm]

@Guilds

@Samm

That kinda puts that $1.9 trillion COVID relief bill and the proposed $2.1 trillion infrastructure bill into perspective, doesn’t it.

It certainly does. Huge economies and populations need a lot of investing to support growth.

What was the ROI for the USA for those corporate tax cuts? Also, the tax cuts on the ultra wealthy? Has it trickled down yet?

When government spending exceeds NNP it does not help the economy.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

You just don’t get it, do you.

Nah you don’t get it…

Don’t worry, when it’s built non-Californians can use it too

[TommyLucchese]

@Borgia_dude

I’m intrigued. Didn’t businesses build the stations?

Government built the infrastructure or it was built with can’t-lose government grants. It’s how the Transcontinental Railroad was built too. There’s a reason all rest stops look more or less the same and imagine the number of gas stations you’d need just for the interstate system.

There actually was an attempt at the beginning of the era of the automobile to just let the free market sort it out and it was a disaster.

[Samm]

@JayJay

Even taking that into account EVs are cleaner.

Cleaner? Does that include the mining of lithium?

[Samm]

@CanadianJudo

@Call_me_Ishmael

It will be cool to watch the handwaving logic and libsplaining with hand puppets when they put these chargers in the areas of the country where electricity that feeds the charging station is provided by fossil fuels.

expand nuclear.
look that was easy.

Then get your green buddies to get out of the way.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@Samm

You just don’t get it, do you.

Nah you don’t get it…

Don’t worry, when it’s built non-Californians can use it too

You didn’t need the train, you already had the highway.

[CanadianJudo]

@Samm

@PurpnGold

@Samm

You just don’t get it, do you.

Nah you don’t get it…

Don’t worry, when it’s built non-Californians can use it too

You didn’t need the train, you already had the highway.

that’s failing apart

[CanadianJudo]

@TommyLucchese

@Borgia_dude

I’m intrigued. Didn’t businesses build the stations?

Government built the infrastructure or it was built with can’t-lose government grants. It’s how the Transcontinental Railroad was built too. There’s a reason all rest stops look more or less the same and imagine the number of gas stations you’d need just for the interstate system.

There actually was an attempt at the beginning of the era of the automobile to just let the free market sort it out and it was a disaster.

Government grants, rare for government to straight up build anything themselves.

Government had their hand in pretty much all major commercial, industrial building.

pipelines, factories, rail, etc
government has their hands in all of it.

[PurpnGold]

@Samm

You didn’t need the train, you already had the highway.

Well the train to Vegas from LA is most privately funded.

The one from LA to SF is funded by CA taxes.

[zantax]

@JayJay

DC fast chargers of the type needed to service EVs cost six figures to acquire and install.

I guarantee we look at your $3k figure and we will find you are looking at a woefully inadequate charger.

Figure I see is 50k average, installed.