There is no verse for it which is why i am challenging you to provide it.
You don’t know what Peter wrote? He wrote 2 of the books in the Bible.
That the 5th century church leaders no longer adhered to the original NT scriptures shows a dangerous drift away from the Bible.
That’s why there eventually was a demand for reform and when that didn’t work a restoration movement back to the Bible.
yes. there is.
Interesting! Peter wrote his two letters in Greek, after his death! I don’t doubt that the information came from the Petrine Church, and does contain information that Peter, himself, spoke.
Which New Testament scriptures do you think the Fifth century church no longer adhered to?
That would require a novel the size of war and peace to answer. How about 1 thing at a time.
The idea of a pope is an easy one there’s a good starting place.
The 1st century church appointed Elders (plural) in every church. Not singular and certainly no hint of 1 man above all else.
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And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
Instituted by Jesus in scripture.
Book chapter verse? There is no mention of a pope.
No. but as I said before, the position is described. Call it what you will
Nonsense. If there were such a position the Apostles and other writers of the Bible would have mentioned it. Even Peter is silent as the tomb on the subject.
What is told us is that they appointed elders in every church.
It isn’t quibbling but rather an important point.
The writings of the catholic church can’t be taken at face value. Not at all.
They didn’t need to. Jesus did and they recorded that.
Book, chapter, verse? In other words prove it.
When I do you’ll simply deny my interpretation and supply your own.
Here’s the thing and I’ve said it before. Your faith is fully bible based. So is Catholicism. The way the bible is written, to deny this is naive ignorance. To assert that Catholic beliefs do not have scriptural backing is delusional.
Many catholic beliefs obviously do not have scriptural backing but rather man made tradition instead.
I suspect a lot of the rituals during things like the mass are a fall back to some of the jewish religion to be honest.
Once again, were you to honestly investigate it, you would discover you are wrong and there is scriptural support for all elements of the mass.
Already have and there isn’t. Just because a priest tells you something does not make it so.
That’s another thing, where is the mass mentioned or described in the Bible?
I might add that the many evil deeds of the catholic church over the years should be a clue as well.
The Inquisition for example is certainly no example of scriptural teaching or that of Jesus either.
Then you weren’t honestly looking at it.
Where is mass mentioned?
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Colossians 4:3 ESV / 9 helpful votes
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Acts 9:40 ESV / 9 helpful votes
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Acts 4:23-31 ESV / 9 helpful votes
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1 Peter 4:7 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Ephesians 6:4 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Ephesians 4:6 ESV / 8 helpful votes
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
1 Corinthians 7:5 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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1 Corinthians 2:1-16 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Acts 6:6 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Luke 10:19 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Mark 1:35 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Matthew 26:39 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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2 Chronicles 7:15-19 ESV / 8 helpful votes
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Had no one in your church comitted evil? Your congregation is sinless? Remarkable. And unbiblical.