Alcohol Detection Systems Will Now Be Mandatory In All New Vehicles

[TheRedComet]

He probably just looks at cell coverage maps.

Coverage maps don’t even tell a quarter of the story. You can be in a “covered” area and because of terrain features have no service whatsoever.

[TheRedComet]

As for this system, it’s just another thing that will break and immobilize the car. Then the owner will spend a fortune getting it properly diagnosed (and it’ll probably end up at four or five different shops before someone figures it out) and then pay an even larger fortune fixing the issue.

It’ll be an even larger issue years down the road once the car is on its third owner, usually a member of the lower class proletariat. Another system that can and will fail and leave his paperweight in the yard. And he will have to eat a write up at his job because he couldn’t get it fixed that day because it’s a dealer only component that takes two weeks to get. And he can’t afford a rental.

I swear this country hates the working poor.

[W_and_C]

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@Cratic3947

People who are not drunk. You want to blow in an unsanitary tube everytime you start your car? I think most people would strap cats to their feet if the govt told them to these days…

I don’t. My understand (and by reading posts by others in this thread) is that this system is way more sophisticated and seemless than having to blow into a tube i.e. it detects your state when you get into a car and start it.

@Cratic3947

Did you know you were voting for this law when you voted democrat?

It’s been a while.

You want your car in charge of telling you when you can drive? Based on some system from the lowest bidder?

I was just asking how you think it harms honest people. i.e. can you show tangible harm here ?

Because it’s just wasting their time. It’s a waste of their money too. And now answer my question.

If the system is seamless and detects one’s state behind the wheel when they start the car, it doesn’t take any extra time.

“If…” See you don’t know anything about the system except the dems want it. And I think they want it because they have stock in the companies that make them and will make lots of money.
Meanwhile cars are more expensive… Gosh, how does that help the 99%…

That’s true and I would not support this if everyone needs to blow into a tube like you’re suggesting. Then I would agree with you, this harms honest people.

Yes, but you didn’t get the chance to decide if you supported it or not? They just passed it without telling anyone during the election.

This is from the story in OP

KEA Technologies in Marlboro is just one of several working on the advanced impaired driving technology. The Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety (DADSS) program uses infrared sensors mounted on the dashboard and door that register a driver’s breath and touch sensors that capture blood alcohol levels in the skin and the results the company says only take a second.

Bud Zaouk, President and CEO of KEA Technologies leads a team of engineers and scientists who are testing and evaluating the DADSS technology. He says it is a non-invasive system.

“You get in the vehicle the sensor will detect if you have alcohol and how much you have alcohol,” Zaouk said. “It will be something that tells you that you are above the legal limit in your state. You can start the vehicle but not allow you to move the car.”

[Cratic3947]

Nice commercial… Do you believe all advertising and think the govt you force you to buy it.

[Mountain_Soldier]

And when those sensors break and fail and won’t let you drive your car?

Sorry boss, I can’t make it. The ■■■■■■■ sensors aren’t working on my drunk check system this morning and it won’t let me start my car.

Good thing this is going to be mandatory.

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@Mountain_Soldier

And when those sensors break and fail and won’t let you drive your car?

Or when our government decides to implement a social credit score or hey, we have to stop those unvaxxed from traveling?

[Guntsu]

Just wait till Metaverse is an actual thing, the social credit score will come from somewhere but I wouldnt bet on it coming from government

[Mountain_Soldier]

“Obviously this is not the cop on board,” Zaouk said. “This is not something that is going to be monitoring you and recording what you are doing. It’s just there to really prevent you from making the wrong decision.”

Does anyone actually believe this ■■■■■ How many people here actually think the government or police won’t be monitoring these systems since they’re going to be in every vehicle?

And glad to know that some engineer and system knows what decisions are best for me.

[TheRedComet]

For real. Modern cars are already incredibly difficult to diagnose failure to start issues. Because they all have the exact same symptom, failure to start.

Back in the day, it was either fuel, ignition, or starting electrical system. Three main points of failure. Now there are even more sub systems involved that make it even more complicated. Like security systems wired through the body control module. BCM dies and your security system goes with it. Engine won’t start. Yay.

And this system will only make it worse. That’s one more thing added to the cascade of automotive subsystems that will take technicians years to remember to look for.

[W_and_C]

@Mountain_Soldier

And when those sensors break and fail and won’t let you drive your car?

Sorry boss, I can’t make it. The ■■■■■■■ sensors aren’t working on my drunk check system this morning and it won’t let me start my car.

Good thing this is going to be mandatory

There needs to be a failsafe system that lets you drive if the sensors are malfunctioning, obviously.

@Cratic3947

Nice commercial… Do you believe all advertising and think the govt you force you to buy it.

If that’s not what this is then I hate it and I’m against it.

[NJBob]

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@NJBob

Blow up a ballon before stepping into the tavern and blow it into the breathalyzer when you leave.

I suppose you can’t have too many to do that either.

I’m sure people will find a way around it. Sounds pretty invasive to me. It is my car, I bought it and I don’t want the government imbedded in it against my will.

Exactly! I wouldn’t have one of them. I don’t even drink but totally reject such authoritarianism from the radical left wing government.

Like samm i will stay with the vehicle i have. My Buick is still low mileage.

If it wears out before me i will buy another used car rather than a new one with this crap on it.

There’s already too much tech in cars, I’m sticking with my 1990 Corolla as my daily driver and my 2006 Wrangler. They’re as new as I care to get.

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Only way I would buy a new car is if it’s autonomous. Way too many really good vintage models otherwise.

[TheRedComet]

Lol there won’t be any sort of failsafe system.

There’s not even a failsafe system to bypass engine immobilization caused by security component failure. You have bypass it. Pretty easy on ancient GM Passkey systems from the 1990s, like the one I had in my Trans Am. Cut two wires running to the ignition switch and you’re good. Good luck bypassing it on a modern Honda Accord, where it’s wired into every single system and subsystem in the car.

[TheRedComet]

Some of the tech is good. I love what’s being done with small displacement four cylinders now. My Civic’s 1.5L has 205 horses and still gets 45 mpg when I’m not spooling the turbo constantly. A 1.5L engine in something from the 80s would have had maybe 70 horses.

My issue with modern tech is that every single system is wired into every other system. Which means a failure on one system causes a cascade of failures throughout the entire vehicle.

For example, my Honda’s infotainment system is wired to both engine subsystems and ABS. If that thing dies, which isn’t uncommon, I have no ABS and it’s a complete crapshoot if the engine will start or not.

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@TheRedComet

Lol there won’t be any sort of failsafe system.

There’s not even a failsafe system to bypass engine immobilization caused by security component failure. You have bypass it. Pretty easy on ancient GM Passkey systems from the 1990s, like the one I had in my Trans Am. Cut two wires running to the ignition switch and you’re good. Good luck bypassing it on a modern Honda Accord, where it’s wired into every single system and subsystem in the car.

We just don’t know. In this hypothetical scenario that the drunk detection system is immobilized , it’s a stretch to suggest that you simply would not be able to drive at all.

If such is the case, of course that’s unacceptable.

[TheRedComet]

These types of systems work on a fail deadly system. When components fail they operate as if they are actively engaged.

Talk to anyone who owned a Ford product from the early 00s and their awful engine immobilization systems. It’s there to keep the car from being stolen. But if a component fails, it fails “deadly” meaning that the engine immobilization still works as designed. Otherwise it would be really easy to steal the vehicle since you could just rewire the ignition switch directly to the starter and make it turn over.

[NJBob]

When necessary, I take the Corolla and the Wrangler to a local mechanic since I need them to be road worthy. But I also have a 1994 Miata project car that doesn’t need to run all the time ( meaning I can screw things up when working on it and can call it quits until the next weekend ).

I enjoy working on it, but even with something so simple (doesn’t even have power steering) diagnosing problems is a bitch.

[NJBob]

@TheRedComet

These types of systems work on a fail deadly system. When components fail they operate as if they are actively engaged.

Talk to anyone who owned a Ford product from the early 00s and their awful engine immobilization systems. It’s there to keep the car from being stolen. But if a component fails, it fails “deadly” meaning that the engine immobilization still works as designed. Otherwise it would be really easy to steal the vehicle since you could just rewire the ignition switch directly to the starter and make it turn over.

The best anti theft system is having a manual transmission.

[TheRedComet]

You are 100% correct on that.

People I know were shocked when I got my Si. The reaction was “this 2018 car has a standard transmission???”

Which to be fair, they are almost extinct. Less than 20 models in the US offer a manual now. I was really pleased to see Honda only offer the new Si (just released) with a manual as the only transmission option. I mean no one will buy it but it does mean that if I decide to trade in and upgrade any one I find on a lot will have a manual lol.

[NJBob]

Is it still OK to call it a slave cylinder and a master cylinder?