Alcohol Detection Systems Will Now Be Mandatory In All New Vehicles

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:16:46.095Z

floydefisher:

But even if you do make alcohol in your basement, or get someone else to buy it for you…you are way more likely to simply consume it at home, which greatly (if not totally) reduces the possibility of driving drunk, which is what we are trying to achieve, right?

Yes, we can save a whole lot of lives, if we consent to invasive government monitoring. Sure that’s the path you want to start wandering down? If drunk drivers have high recidivism rates, keep them locked up.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:16:56.613Z

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Samm:

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That’s true and I would not support this if everyone needs to blow into a tube like you’re suggesting. Then I would agree with you, this harms honest people.

It’s my understanding that the technology being considered looks at eye movement to detect (supposedly) imparement. But they are also taking about being capable of measuring b.a.c. and I have no idea how that can be done non-invasively.

In-car breathalyzers have difficulty in cold climates. The moisture in the breath condenses in the device and freezes making the device inoperable, which prevents the car from starting.

it’s this:

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KEA Technologies in Marlboro is just one of several working on the advanced impaired driving technology. The Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety (DADSS) program uses infrared sensors mounted on the dashboard and door that register a driver’s breath and touch sensors that capture blood alcohol levels in the skin and the results the company says only take a second .

Bud Zaouk, President and CEO of KEA Technologies leads a team of engineers and scientists who are testing and evaluating the DADSS technology. He says it is a non-invasive system.

“You get in the vehicle the sensor will detect if you have alcohol and how much you have alcohol,” Zaouk said. “It will be something that tells you that you are above the legal limit in your state. You can start the vehicle but not allow you to move the car.”

What if you wear a Covid mask and gloves?

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:17:44.507Z

Have you ever tested your BAC after using mouthwash, or taken a Certs breath mint, or a Halls lozenge?

When you find out how easy it is to high BAC, you won’t want this device a million miles from your car.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:18:36.811Z

floydefisher:

Is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTojV_NqWCA

If some computer geek can make an ar-15 with a few keystrokes from his desktop, how hard can it be?

He made a lower. The upper was commercially manufactured.

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:18:59.039Z

floydefisher:

Have you ever tested your BAC after using mouthwash, or taken a Certs breath mint, or a Halls lozenge?

When you find out how easy it is to high BAC, you won’t want this device a million miles from your car.

Oh I wouldn’t rely on a technical feasibility argument. If they can’t do it yet, it won’t be long until they can.

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:19:30.909Z

Give the tech a few years…that will be so easy it’s not funny.

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:19:54.768Z

The pertinent question is, if we start down this road why is there any reason to think it would stop here?Not that big a leap from this to your phone telling you its time to take your NIH mandated walk.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:20:09.012Z

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Cratic3947:

This law is just like Gun control. The people who it’s suppose to stop will just go around the system.
So, it will only bother honest people.

Who are the “honest people” in this case ? People who would never honestly drive drunk? How could this ever bother them ?

The point is, this regulation is not necessary for anyone who currently abides by the law. And those who drive drunk now, will be the ones who find a way around it.

I don’t know if they will or not. At any rate if the system is non-intrusive and at least makes it difficult for would-be drunk drivers to do so, it’s not a bad thing.

Never underestimate human ingenuity. Rules were made to be broken is more than just a slogan, its a response to a challenge.

Could be.

So is that an argument for abolishment of any and all rules whatsoever ?

F.e. obviously having a legal drinking age is dumb. Me and my buddies were usually able to find a way to drink in high school.

That’s not my argument at all.

W_and_C · 2021-11-20T00:20:25.313Z

Samm:

What if you wear a Covid mask and gloves?

Depending on how sophisticated this system really is, you may be able to keep them on and it’ll work just the same.

floydefisher:

Have you ever tested your BAC after using mouthwash, or taken a Certs breath mint, or a Halls lozenge?

When you find out how easy it is to high BAC, you won’t want this device a million miles from your car.

How long does that last ? Meaning, if I use mouthwash 10 minutes before driving to a store and I get pulled over, would I get a DUI ?

W_and_C · 2021-11-20T00:21:17.647Z

Samm:

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Samm:

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Samm:

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Cratic3947:

This law is just like Gun control. The people who it’s suppose to stop will just go around the system.
So, it will only bother honest people.

Who are the “honest people” in this case ? People who would never honestly drive drunk? How could this ever bother them ?

The point is, this regulation is not necessary for anyone who currently abides by the law. And those who drive drunk now, will be the ones who find a way around it.

I don’t know if they will or not. At any rate if the system is non-intrusive and at least makes it difficult for would-be drunk drivers to do so, it’s not a bad thing.

Never underestimate human ingenuity. Rules were made to be broken is more than just a slogan, its a response to a challenge.

Could be.

So is that an argument for abolishment of any and all rules whatsoever ?

F.e. obviously having a legal drinking age is dumb. Me and my buddies were usually able to find a way to drink in high school.

That’s not my argument at all.

It’s probably correct that some may find a way around this. But that’s true with just about any rules/regulation.

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:21:52.522Z

You actually can…just ask an accomplished DUI lawyer about that one.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:23:32.987Z

floydefisher:

Give the tech a few years…that will be so easy it’s not funny.

Easy perhaps, but pointless. No functional gun part that you replicate on your very expensive 3-D printer will compare to the genuine article.

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:24:23.882Z

Yeah, if only you could figure out now to differentiate between different types of alcohol. That would be a pretty neat trick IMHO.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:25:44.744Z

zantax:

The pertinent question is, if we start down this road why is there any reason to think it would stop here?Not that big a leap from this to your phone telling you its time to take your NIH mandated walk.

It never has in the past. Government control is like the ratchet on the rack in a torture chamber. The wheel only turns one way.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:28:21.026Z

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Samm:

What if you wear a Covid mask and gloves?

Depending on how sophisticated this system really is, you may be able to keep them on and it’ll work just the same.

What technology can make skin contact through gloves without being invasive?

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:30:24.666Z

floydefisher:

Yeah, if only you could figure out now to differentiate between different types of alcohol. That would be a pretty neat trick IMHO.

Wouldn’t rely on just chemicals, I imagine a trained neural agent of some sort would be involved.

Ceasar · 2021-11-20T00:30:40.557Z

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I’m curious as to whether or not one would be able to override it.

There could be potentially an emergency situation that would require one to have to get behind the wheel even after having a few pops.

Have Fido blow into it…

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:32:15.203Z

Samm:

zantax:

The pertinent question is, if we start down this road why is there any reason to think it would stop here?Not that big a leap from this to your phone telling you its time to take your NIH mandated walk.

It never has in the past. Government control is like the ratchet on the rack in a torture chamber. The wheel only turns one way.

Right, so today it’s stop drunk drivers by monitoring people in their cars and the next thing you know they monitor every aspect of your life, because the line is private property and once they cross it there is nowhere they can’t go. And now the AI exists to make it possible.

Ceasar · 2021-11-20T00:43:42.255Z

floydefisher:

First off, the odds of being out of cellphone range are so small it’s almost impossible.

Secondly, if you’re impaired, attempting to drive to the hospital can and will do more damage than good. And if it’s you that is that banged up, I highly doubt you could drive yourself to the hospital even if you are sober.

Dial 911, and let an ambulance take them there (or life flight depending on the circumstances).

I get out of cell range nearly every time I drive here.

W_and_C · 2021-11-20T00:44:03.289Z

floydefisher:

You actually can…just ask an accomplished DUI lawyer about that one.

Well, that’s obviously not good then and it’s a problem way beyond the scope of this discussion.

Samm:

What technology can make skin contact through gloves without being invasive?

Don’t know but give it time. Just a short time i would’ve never have imagined being able to unlock my phone just by putting it in front of my face. Stuff that we’re able to do now is pretty much the sci-fi fantasies of not too long ago.

At any rate, this is obviously going to undergo extensive testing and scenarios like ones you mentioned should be discussed and tested. If we can’t execute this properly, let’s not do it.