Alcohol Detection Systems Will Now Be Mandatory In All New Vehicles

floydefisher · 2021-11-19T23:55:14.185Z

Drivers licenses have bar codes…they can be scanned, and checked against a DUI database. If you have been convicted of a DUI, sale is denied at the register just like for birthdates.

How do you stop someone from buying a firearm for another person?

(I’ve lost 5 cars to drunk drivers since 2004…time to give me a break, eh)

zantax · 2021-11-19T23:55:44.631Z

floydefisher:

Drivers licenses have bar codes…they can be scanned, and checked against a DUI database. If you have been convicted of a DUI, sale is denied at the register just like for birthdates.

How do you stop someone from buying a firearm for another person?

Umm anyone can make alcohol.

floydefisher · 2021-11-19T23:56:59.289Z

Anyone can make firearms too…it’s called ‘3d printing’.

zantax · 2021-11-19T23:58:09.208Z

floydefisher:

Anyone can make firearms too…it’s called ‘3d printing’.

Quite a bit more difficulty involved in the latter.

W_and_C · 2021-11-19T23:58:40.189Z

zantax:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Samm:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Cratic3947:

This law is just like Gun control. The people who it’s suppose to stop will just go around the system.
So, it will only bother honest people.

Who are the “honest people” in this case ? People who would never honestly drive drunk? How could this ever bother them ?

The point is, this regulation is not necessary for anyone who currently abides by the law. And those who drive drunk now, will be the ones who find a way around it.

I don’t know if they will or not. At any rate if the system is non-intrusive and at least makes it difficult for would-be drunk drivers to do so, it’s not a bad thing.

Next, we can put unobtrusive monitoring in homes to prevent domestic and child abuse.

Ah the old slippery slope argument.

As in - if we let gay people get married, next thing is hamsters will want to get married.

zantax · 2021-11-19T23:59:50.935Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Ah the old slippery slope argument.

As in - if we let gay people get married, next thing is hamsters will want to get married.

No, there was no material difference in my example, there is in yours. In fact my example made more logical sense, domestic and child abuse is a far bigger problem with many more deaths and life-long injuries.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:00:42.921Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

That’s true and I would not support this if everyone needs to blow into a tube like you’re suggesting. Then I would agree with you, this harms honest people.

It’s my understanding that the technology being considered looks at eye movement to detect (supposedly) imparement. But they are also taking about being capable of measuring b.a.c. and I have no idea how that can be done non-invasively.

In-car breathalyzers have difficulty in cold climates. The moisture in the breath condenses in the device and freezes making the device inoperable, which prevents the car from starting.

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:02:12.987Z

zantax:

floydefisher:

Rural WA…in the middle of a national forrest, with no cell service.

That’s exactly the one in one million chance I’m talking about when I say it’s almost impossible. You hit the perfect storm pal. Almost every place in the US has some cell service.

Quit grasping at straws. How many times in the last decade where you anywhere with no cell service?

You need to travel more.

Or read more.

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:03:19.444Z

zantax:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Ah the old slippery slope argument.

As in - if we let gay people get married, next thing is hamsters will want to get married.

No, there was no material difference in my example, there is in yours. In fact my example made more logical sense, domestic and child abuse is a far bigger problem with many more deaths and life-long injuries.

Or in other words, it’s only a matter of time until they do that as well. Your car is no less private property than your home.

W_and_C · 2021-11-20T00:03:19.985Z

Samm:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

That’s true and I would not support this if everyone needs to blow into a tube like you’re suggesting. Then I would agree with you, this harms honest people.

It’s my understanding that the technology being considered looks at eye movement to detect (supposedly) imparement. But they are also taking about being capable of measuring b.a.c. and I have no idea how that can be done non-invasively.

In-car breathalyzers have difficulty in cold climates. The moisture in the breath condenses in the device and freezes making the device inoperable, which prevents the car from starting.

it’s this:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

KEA Technologies in Marlboro is just one of several working on the advanced impaired driving technology. The Driver Alcohol Detection System for Safety (DADSS) program uses infrared sensors mounted on the dashboard and door that register a driver’s breath and touch sensors that capture blood alcohol levels in the skin and the results the company says only take a second .

Bud Zaouk, President and CEO of KEA Technologies leads a team of engineers and scientists who are testing and evaluating the DADSS technology. He says it is a non-invasive system.

“You get in the vehicle the sensor will detect if you have alcohol and how much you have alcohol,” Zaouk said. “It will be something that tells you that you are above the legal limit in your state. You can start the vehicle but not allow you to move the car.”

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:04:53.054Z

Is it?

If some computer geek can make an ar-15 with a few keystrokes from his desktop, how hard can it be?

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:04:53.254Z

TheRedComet:

He probably just looks at cell coverage maps.

Coverage maps don’t even tell a quarter of the story. You can be in a “covered” area and because of terrain features have no service whatsoever.

Here is the cell phone coverage map for Alaska.

W_and_C · 2021-11-20T00:06:07.248Z

zantax:

zantax:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Ah the old slippery slope argument.

As in - if we let gay people get married, next thing is hamsters will want to get married.

No, there was no material difference in my example, there is in yours. In fact my example made more logical sense, domestic and child abuse is a far bigger problem with many more deaths and life-long injuries.

Or in other words, it’s only a matter of time until they do that as well. Your car is no less private property than your home.

OK. Then this measure may ultimately be litigated and tossed out by courts.

zantax · 2021-11-20T00:06:13.635Z

Have you done any 3d printing?

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:06:46.339Z

Mountain_Soldier:

Sorry boss, I can’t make it. The ■■■■■■■ sensors aren’t working on my drunk check system this morning and it won’t let me start my car.

“… so I’m gunna stay home and drink.”

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:09:59.912Z

No, but I also don’t own an $1800 ghost gunner 3d printer either.

(note: I’ve been sounding the alarm on this for years…it’s why I think gun control is pretty much obsolete).

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:11:20.573Z

thinkingman:

Samm:

Smyrna:

Guntsu:

How we feeling about this? Is this infringing on freeberty or we good?

It sounds like everyone will also own an “old” vehicle too.

A smart drunk should always have a old beater to drive … just in case they are caught and the car is impounded.

go on… < frantically writes in notebook >

It’s the same concept as never shoot an intruder with your most valuable gun.

floydefisher · 2021-11-20T00:12:46.673Z

But even if you do make alcohol in your basement, or get someone else to buy it for you…you are way more likely to simply consume it at home, which greatly (if not totally) reduces the possibility of driving drunk, which is what we are trying to achieve, right?

Samm · 2021-11-20T00:13:35.736Z

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Samm:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Cratic3947:

This law is just like Gun control. The people who it’s suppose to stop will just go around the system.
So, it will only bother honest people.

Who are the “honest people” in this case ? People who would never honestly drive drunk? How could this ever bother them ?

The point is, this regulation is not necessary for anyone who currently abides by the law. And those who drive drunk now, will be the ones who find a way around it.

I don’t know if they will or not. At any rate if the system is non-intrusive and at least makes it difficult for would-be drunk drivers to do so, it’s not a bad thing.

Never underestimate human ingenuity. Rules were made to be broken is more than just a slogan, its a response to a challenge.

W_and_C · 2021-11-20T00:16:02.863Z

Samm:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Samm:

Here's to feeling good all the time. :

Cratic3947:

This law is just like Gun control. The people who it’s suppose to stop will just go around the system.
So, it will only bother honest people.

Who are the “honest people” in this case ? People who would never honestly drive drunk? How could this ever bother them ?

The point is, this regulation is not necessary for anyone who currently abides by the law. And those who drive drunk now, will be the ones who find a way around it.

I don’t know if they will or not. At any rate if the system is non-intrusive and at least makes it difficult for would-be drunk drivers to do so, it’s not a bad thing.

Never underestimate human ingenuity. Rules were made to be broken is more than just a slogan, its a response to a challenge.

Could be.

So is that an argument for abolishment of any and all rules whatsoever ?

F.e. obviously having a legal drinking age is dumb. Me and my buddies were usually able to find a way to drink in high school.