Alabama started reopening may 11.montgomery just ran out of ICU beds

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:54:15.012Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Yet the window for her to get it done can be very limited. 11 states have limits even in the first trimester, which is the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. A pregnant girl cannot wait for months, once that clinic opens it is too late. And if you are against abortion, isn’t it better to do this as early as possible?

Your not answering the question. Is and abortion an elective proceedure or not? (unless it’s to save the mothers life). That’s a highly simple questions. Yes or No.

It is an elective but time sensitive procedure.

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:55:24.781Z

toreyj01:

It is an elective but time sensitive procedure.

But a lot of other elective - time sensitive procedures where cancelled that became life threatening procedures.

Elective abortions SHOULD have been shut down the same as all other elective proceedures.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T20:55:57.124Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

Man you are back peddleing big time here. Suddenly an abortion is time sensative and needs to be taken care of like a broken leg? In 90% of abortion cases it’s a simple elective proceedure that is for the convenience of the woman getting it. It’s the equivalent of getting a damn face lift.

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

Janet_Miller · 2020-05-28T20:56:45.289Z

Man! I’m so happy I ruptured my Achilles’ tendon back in ‘08 instead of much more recently.

Back then it was “When can YOU do this?”. Now it would be I’m sorry, but you’ll have to wait. That’s unnecessary.”

In fact, with more active adults, surgery, at least with severe rupture, was advised as the manner of repairing the injury, but by the hysteria of today, I could just limp “until further notice” in an orthopedic boot

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:57:10.495Z

WuWei:

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

It is STILL an elective proceedure. Could be put off until they are rught up against the legal deadline right?

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:58:17.051Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

It is an elective but time sensitive procedure.

But a lot of other elective - time sensitive procedures where cancelled that became life threatening procedures.

Elective abortions SHOULD have been shut down the same as all other elective proceedures.

I disagree. Now, if we can argue that states would drop the time limits on abortions so that they can be done once the all clear is established, yes, abortions should be delayed. But I don’t see anyone saying that. This is an elective procedure, the girl never has to get an abortion she can simply carry the child if she wants the baby. But it is the only elective procedure that is under clear time sensitive legislation that varies state to state.

Otherwise, this just seems like an end around for the Pro Life folks to halt abortions for any time they can finagle.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:59:35.286Z

WuWei:

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

Man you are back peddleing big time here. Suddenly an abortion is time sensative and needs to be taken care of like a broken leg? In 90% of abortion cases it’s a simple elective proceedure that is for the convenience of the woman getting it. It’s the equivalent of getting a damn face lift.

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

Precisely, Sneaky. I feel I am butting my head up against a wall here.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T21:03:09.772Z

Janet_Miller:

Man! I’m so happy I ruptured my Achilles’ tendon back in ‘08 instead of much more recently.

Back then it was “When can YOU do this?”. Now it would be I’m sorry, but you’ll have to wait. That’s unnecessary.”

In fact, with more active adults, surgery, at least with severe rupture, was advised as the manner of repairing the injury, but by the hysteria of today, I could just limp “until further notice” in an orthopedic boot

With achilles ruptures the surgery vs. conventional treatments are relatively equal in long term efficacy. But you need to not only get a boot but a little foot stroller for quite a few weeks.

Athletes need the surgery, though.

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T21:03:47.892Z

toreyj01:

I disagree. Now, if we can argue that states would drop the time limits on abortions so that they can be done once the all clear is established, yes, abortions should be delayed. But I don’t see anyone saying that. This is an elective procedure, the girl never has to get an abortion she can simply carry the child if she wants the baby. But it is the only elective procedure that is under clear time sensitive legislation that varies state to state.

Otherwise, this just seems like an end around for the Pro Life folks to halt abortions for any time they can finagle.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Elective is elective in my book. They shut one type down, they should have shut them all down Period.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T21:04:23.625Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

I disagree. Now, if we can argue that states would drop the time limits on abortions so that they can be done once the all clear is established, yes, abortions should be delayed. But I don’t see anyone saying that. This is an elective procedure, the girl never has to get an abortion she can simply carry the child if she wants the baby. But it is the only elective procedure that is under clear time sensitive legislation that varies state to state.

Otherwise, this just seems like an end around for the Pro Life folks to halt abortions for any time they can finagle.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Elective is elective in my book. They shut one type down, they should have shut them all down Period.

Fair enough, agree to disagree.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T21:06:49.667Z

Snow96:

WuWei:

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

It is STILL an elective proceedure. Could be put off until they are rught up against the legal deadline right?

Yes it is. There are a lot of factors that go into the timing of even elective procedures. It’s not for me to say when, that is between the doctor and the patient.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T21:07:57.542Z

Snow96:

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Elective is elective in my book. They shut one type down, they should have shut them all down Period.

How many other elective procedures have a legally-imposed time limit?

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T21:09:13.701Z

WuWei:

Yes it is. There are a lot of factors that go into the timing of even elective procedures. It’s not for me to say when, that is between the doctor and the patient.

And lately the government telling then when the two can and can’t have an elective proceedure done. Doc has to justify it to the governments concent.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T21:23:50.864Z

Snow96:

WuWei:

Yes it is. There are a lot of factors that go into the timing of even elective procedures. It’s not for me to say when, that is between the doctor and the patient.

And lately the government telling then when the two can and can’t have an elective proceedure done. Doc has to justify it to the governments concent.

Isn’t that the backbone of almost all pro-life legislation of late? Governments telling the MD when or when not they can perform the procedure? That has been going on for a long time now, and now you have a problem with it when it pertains to other elective procedures?

WuWei · 2020-05-28T21:27:28.048Z

Snow96:

And lately the government telling then when the two can and can’t have an elective proceedure done. Doc has to justify it to the governments concent.

Been that way for abortion since there was a government.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T21:33:45.511Z

WuWei:

Snow96:

And lately the government telling then when the two can and can’t have an elective proceedure done. Doc has to justify it to the governments concent.

Been that way for abortion since there was a government.

I don’t think he thought that response through, Sneaky. Huge opening, there. Have a good evening I am off to walk the hound. Finally getting a day off next week, first one in 3 months. Looking forward to it.

Janet_Miller · 2020-05-28T22:31:16.014Z

Have a good one!

Am looking forward to a week staycation this coming week.

gooddad409 · 2020-05-28T23:13:14.017Z

toreyj01:

RTchoke:

toreyj01:

RTchoke:

tnt:

You would have preferred to expose patients and workers to COVID?

They aren’t getting laid off so they aren’t exposed to the virus. They are getting laid off because they are not needed. In a pandemic. Healthcare workers ARE.NOT.NEEDED.

Think about that for a minute.

That is not correct. Some healthcare workers are not needed. If you work in a Plastic Surgeon’s office, you are not needed and will probably be laid off during a pandemic.

If you work in a Dentist’s office, same thing.

If you are an ICU Nurse, an ER Resident or a Cardiologist you are direly needed.

Think about what you posted.

I did. Y’all kept abortion offices opened and closed elective surgeries, etc. People have died because they couldn’t get their lifesaving procedures done.

Think about what you posted.

Nonsense, all life saving procedures were available. Elective cases were halted, no one was limiting life saving procedures.

A true life saving procedure would have been to halt abortions.

DougBH · 2020-05-28T23:25:04.671Z

Speaking of media distorting facts trying to make it look like reopening is a disaster, I just read a “Yahoo News” article with a headline about a record number of new cases occurring Wednesday, exactly two weeks after Wisconsin was reopened. There were two big flaws in that article (unless you consider putting Yahoo together with News a flaw in itself. 1) Picking a single day tells you nothing about a trend or the results of reopening. 2) There was one sentence in the article stating (but not connecting it to the cases) that something like over 10,000 test results were dumped out on Wednesday.
The connection should be obvious.
When Thursdays results come out, do not expect to see an article titled “Dramatic Downturn in New Cases Two Weeks and a Day After Wisconsin Reopens”.

RayStark · 2020-05-29T01:09:08.807Z

Yeah but most abortions are about taking a life rather than saving one.