Alabama started reopening may 11.montgomery just ran out of ICU beds

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:43:34.945Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

And then in multiple responses you talked about life saving procedures, and I responded those would not be elective cases.

No. I was talking about when the proceedure TURNED to a life saving event.

And your ignorning the abortion questions. Why where they allwed in nearly every state when it wasn’t a life saving prodeedure for the mother?

Because it is time sensitive.

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:44:20.968Z

toreyj01:

Because it is time sensitive.

How is an abortion time sensative to saving a life? it’s elective isn’t it – unless it’s to save the mothers life.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:46:07.958Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Because it is time sensitive.

How is an abortion time sensative to saving a life? it’s elective isn’t it – unless it’s to save the mothers life.

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T20:46:58.800Z

toreyj01:

WuWei:

toreyj01:

WuWei:

toreyj01:

Nonsense, all life saving procedures were available. Elective cases were halted, no one was limiting life saving procedures.

How many patients were afraid and didn’t seek attention in time?

Probably no way to know.

True that, and it still may be that case. I may not see the volume next week that I expect because folks are afraid to go to the hospital. Not much you can do except let them know through various media that they would be safe.

I thought about what I would do. My conclusion was it would have to be really, really bad for me to go.

I don’t think we can let them know they’ll “be safe”.

Well, in my hospital, I can with certainty I have never seen it cleaner or safer than it is now. We are spit shined at the moment. Can’t say the same in 1 years time when this is all behind us, folks get lazy.

No doubt. It’s also where the disease is. Just my thought, of course I have a bit more leeway.

Yes, we drift into failure.

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:48:06.899Z

toreyj01:

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

Man you are back peddleing big time here. Suddenly an abortion is time sensative and needs to be taken care of like a broken leg? In 90% of abortion cases it’s a simple elective proceedure that is for the convenience of the woman getting it. It’s the equivalent of getting a damn face lift.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:51:22.911Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

Man you are back peddleing big time here. Suddenly an abortion is time sensative and needs to be taken care of like a broken leg? In 90% of abortion cases it’s a simple elective proceedure that is for the convenience of the woman getting it. It’s the equivalent of getting a damn face lift.

Yet the window for her to get it done can be very limited. 11 states have limits even in the first trimester, which is the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. A pregnant girl cannot wait for months, once that clinic opens it is too late. And if you are against abortion, isn’t it better to do this as early as possible?

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:52:29.656Z

toreyj01:

Yet the window for her to get it done can be very limited. 11 states have limits even in the first trimester, which is the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. A pregnant girl cannot wait for months, once that clinic opens it is too late. And if you are against abortion, isn’t it better to do this as early as possible?

Your not answering the question. Is and abortion an elective proceedure or not? (unless it’s to save the mothers life). That’s a highly simple questions. Yes or No.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:54:15.012Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Yet the window for her to get it done can be very limited. 11 states have limits even in the first trimester, which is the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. A pregnant girl cannot wait for months, once that clinic opens it is too late. And if you are against abortion, isn’t it better to do this as early as possible?

Your not answering the question. Is and abortion an elective proceedure or not? (unless it’s to save the mothers life). That’s a highly simple questions. Yes or No.

It is an elective but time sensitive procedure.

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:55:24.781Z

toreyj01:

It is an elective but time sensitive procedure.

But a lot of other elective - time sensitive procedures where cancelled that became life threatening procedures.

Elective abortions SHOULD have been shut down the same as all other elective proceedures.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T20:55:57.124Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

Man you are back peddleing big time here. Suddenly an abortion is time sensative and needs to be taken care of like a broken leg? In 90% of abortion cases it’s a simple elective proceedure that is for the convenience of the woman getting it. It’s the equivalent of getting a damn face lift.

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

Janet_Miller · 2020-05-28T20:56:45.289Z

Man! I’m so happy I ruptured my Achilles’ tendon back in ‘08 instead of much more recently.

Back then it was “When can YOU do this?”. Now it would be I’m sorry, but you’ll have to wait. That’s unnecessary.”

In fact, with more active adults, surgery, at least with severe rupture, was advised as the manner of repairing the injury, but by the hysteria of today, I could just limp “until further notice” in an orthopedic boot

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T20:57:10.495Z

WuWei:

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

It is STILL an elective proceedure. Could be put off until they are rught up against the legal deadline right?

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:58:17.051Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

It is an elective but time sensitive procedure.

But a lot of other elective - time sensitive procedures where cancelled that became life threatening procedures.

Elective abortions SHOULD have been shut down the same as all other elective proceedures.

I disagree. Now, if we can argue that states would drop the time limits on abortions so that they can be done once the all clear is established, yes, abortions should be delayed. But I don’t see anyone saying that. This is an elective procedure, the girl never has to get an abortion she can simply carry the child if she wants the baby. But it is the only elective procedure that is under clear time sensitive legislation that varies state to state.

Otherwise, this just seems like an end around for the Pro Life folks to halt abortions for any time they can finagle.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T20:59:35.286Z

WuWei:

Snow96:

toreyj01:

Just because a procedure is non-elective, it doesn’t mean that it is life saving.

If you break your leg, you need to splint and cast and/or pin it. It won’t save your life but you need to do it now.

Because it is time sensitive to do it, it is not elective.

Man you are back peddleing big time here. Suddenly an abortion is time sensative and needs to be taken care of like a broken leg? In 90% of abortion cases it’s a simple elective proceedure that is for the convenience of the woman getting it. It’s the equivalent of getting a damn face lift.

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

Precisely, Sneaky. I feel I am butting my head up against a wall here.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T21:03:09.772Z

Janet_Miller:

Man! I’m so happy I ruptured my Achilles’ tendon back in ‘08 instead of much more recently.

Back then it was “When can YOU do this?”. Now it would be I’m sorry, but you’ll have to wait. That’s unnecessary.”

In fact, with more active adults, surgery, at least with severe rupture, was advised as the manner of repairing the injury, but by the hysteria of today, I could just limp “until further notice” in an orthopedic boot

With achilles ruptures the surgery vs. conventional treatments are relatively equal in long term efficacy. But you need to not only get a boot but a little foot stroller for quite a few weeks.

Athletes need the surgery, though.

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T21:03:47.892Z

toreyj01:

I disagree. Now, if we can argue that states would drop the time limits on abortions so that they can be done once the all clear is established, yes, abortions should be delayed. But I don’t see anyone saying that. This is an elective procedure, the girl never has to get an abortion she can simply carry the child if she wants the baby. But it is the only elective procedure that is under clear time sensitive legislation that varies state to state.

Otherwise, this just seems like an end around for the Pro Life folks to halt abortions for any time they can finagle.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Elective is elective in my book. They shut one type down, they should have shut them all down Period.

toreyj01 · 2020-05-28T21:04:23.625Z

Snow96:

toreyj01:

I disagree. Now, if we can argue that states would drop the time limits on abortions so that they can be done once the all clear is established, yes, abortions should be delayed. But I don’t see anyone saying that. This is an elective procedure, the girl never has to get an abortion she can simply carry the child if she wants the baby. But it is the only elective procedure that is under clear time sensitive legislation that varies state to state.

Otherwise, this just seems like an end around for the Pro Life folks to halt abortions for any time they can finagle.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Elective is elective in my book. They shut one type down, they should have shut them all down Period.

Fair enough, agree to disagree.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T21:06:49.667Z

Snow96:

WuWei:

The law makes abortion time sensitive.

It is STILL an elective proceedure. Could be put off until they are rught up against the legal deadline right?

Yes it is. There are a lot of factors that go into the timing of even elective procedures. It’s not for me to say when, that is between the doctor and the patient.

WuWei · 2020-05-28T21:07:57.542Z

Snow96:

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Elective is elective in my book. They shut one type down, they should have shut them all down Period.

How many other elective procedures have a legally-imposed time limit?

Snow96 · 2020-05-28T21:09:13.701Z

WuWei:

Yes it is. There are a lot of factors that go into the timing of even elective procedures. It’s not for me to say when, that is between the doctor and the patient.

And lately the government telling then when the two can and can’t have an elective proceedure done. Doc has to justify it to the governments concent.