Air Force: Space Force would cost $13 billion over 5 years

coolidge · 2018-09-18T19:32:17.205Z

I was thinking about a similar situation. When JFK announced going to the moon in a decade, heck if he said that in front of this liberal audience they would have laughed him off the stage. Americans doing something great?!

mobiusptc · 2018-09-18T19:38:29.934Z

peek-a-boo:

In 1947, the Air Force was split and became a sperate military branch. Why? Wouldn’t the next logical step be to split off a separate Space Force branch?

Act of Congress and a lot of groundwork was done then.

toreyj01 · 2018-09-18T19:40:40.187Z

Why does missile defense need a separate military service?

Goofy stuff.

peek-a-boo · 2018-09-18T19:42:49.177Z

mobiusptc:

Act of Congress and a lot of groundwork was done then.

And……………………………

peek-a-boo · 2018-09-18T19:43:58.342Z

toreyj01:

Why does missile defense need a separate military service?

Goofy stuff

This isn’t only about missile defense. And couldn’t one have made a similar argument in 1947 about needing a separate service for airplanes?

merickson · 2018-09-18T20:16:57.512Z

peek-a-boo:

In 1947, the Air Force was split and became a sperate military branch. Why? Wouldn’t the next logical step be to split off a separate Space Force branch?

There were lots of airplanes and pilots et.al. when the Air Forces split from the Army.
There aren’t any military astronauts.

theduke · 2018-09-19T17:42:47.310Z

merickson:

peek-a-boo:

In 1947, the Air Force was split and became a sperate military branch. Why? Wouldn’t the next logical step be to split off a separate Space Force branch?

There were lots of airplanes and pilots et.al. when the Air Forces split from the Army.
There aren’t any military astronauts.

It’s unbelievable there are people that don’t realize what a really dumb idea a ‘‘Space Force’’ is.

peek-a-boo · 2018-09-19T19:12:23.275Z

theduke:

It’s unbelievable there are people that don’t realize what a really dumb idea a ‘‘Space Force’’ is

In your opinion.

merickson · 2018-09-19T22:38:42.787Z

theduke:

merickson:

peek-a-boo:

In 1947, the Air Force was split and became a sperate military branch. Why? Wouldn’t the next logical step be to split off a separate Space Force branch?

There were lots of airplanes and pilots et.al. when the Air Forces split from the Army.
There aren’t any military astronauts.

It’s unbelievable there are people that don’t realize what a really dumb idea a ‘‘Space Force’’ is.

Too much Star Wars, not enough Heinlein.

TheRedComet · 2018-09-19T22:52:13.464Z

It’s got some serious issues it will need to overcome. Mainly of the fiscal variety. And you will need to attract suitable talent to the branch.

The transition from the army air corps to the USAF was relatively straight forward. It had existed since the post World War I era, had an officer corps that had become an entity all unto itself, developed its own doctrine, and had a steady number of recruits every year of its existence. Then you get to World War II where the AAC really exploded into the limelight. It was a de facto separate branch of the military during World War II.

The space force will need to do all of that from scratch without a World War to propel them to the front of the spear.

NJBob · 2018-09-19T22:57:24.465Z

merickson:

theduke:

merickson:

peek-a-boo:

In 1947, the Air Force was split and became a sperate military branch. Why? Wouldn’t the next logical step be to split off a separate Space Force branch?

There were lots of airplanes and pilots et.al. when the Air Forces split from the Army.
There aren’t any military astronauts.

It’s unbelievable there are people that don’t realize what a really dumb idea a ‘‘Space Force’’ is.

Too much Star Wars, not enough Heinlein.

We definitely need us some Starship Troopers!

merickson · 2018-09-20T01:51:16.829Z

NJBob:

We definitely need us some Starship Troopers!

The bit about veterans only for government would have given us Pres. Kerry and spared us Trump.

Cynic · 2018-09-20T02:19:50.835Z

Does everyone get a Wookie copilot?

mobiusptc · 2018-09-20T02:47:27.697Z

No, the elites of us get ewoks

hwyflier · 2018-09-20T03:20:09.971Z

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey’s on the moon)

I can’t pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey’s on the moon)
Ten years from now I’ll be payin’ still.
(while Whitey’s on the moon)

The man jus’ upped my rent las’ night.
('cause Whitey’s on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey’s on the moon)

I wonder why he’s uppi’ me?
(‘cause Whitey’s on the moon?)
I was already payin’ ‘im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin’ my whole damn check,
Junkies makin’ me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin’ up,
An’ as if all that ■■■■ wasn’t enough

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an’ arm began to swell.
(but Whitey’s on the moon)

Was all that money I made las’ year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain’t no money here?
(Hm! Whitey’s on the moon)
Y’know I jus’ ‘bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I’ll sen’ these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

Gil Scott-Heron

theduke · 2018-09-20T05:08:25.776Z

Is that why The Revolution Will Not be Televised?

STODR · 2018-09-20T05:28:24.447Z

The hard part will be getting 4 services to give up people instead of one. All the personal are already there just split up into 4 services instead of one. The doctrine is already there. Space command in the AF is already pretty much a separate branch now just like AAC was back then.

theduke · 2018-09-20T05:41:14.048Z

STODR:

The hard part will be getting 4 services to give up people instead of one. All the personal are already there just split up into 4 services instead of one. The doctrine is already there. Space command in the AF is already pretty much a separate branch now just like AAC was back then.

Why do the 4 services need to give up any one. The new ‘‘Space Force’’ just goes to Comic Con, Star Wars/Star Trek conventions and recruits an whole new ‘‘Fleet’’ crew. Most have their own uniforms.

STODR · 2018-09-20T05:43:33.928Z

lol
#10char

NJBob · 2018-09-20T09:35:26.117Z

merickson:

NJBob:

We definitely need us some Starship Troopers!

The bit about veterans only for government would have given us Pres. Kerry and spared us Trump.

Service equals citizenship.