Quite the contrary.
Can a person be reduced to just physical processes? Is that the spiritual / existentialism that pro liferâs employ? That humanity is just a beating heart pumping blood in an organism?
Not from your argument, or Mobulisâ argument. Or any pro-murder argument for that matter. You have no science backbone to your argument. Iâve explained the scientific position multiple times.
You are making a scientific argument about classification / taxonomy. The abortion question is a question of ethics and existentialism. Have you ever taken philosophy?
Weâre explaining the basic science behind why we believe the way we do, and why it is correct. And Iâve poked a hole in your âwell it has to be a person with consciousnessâ argument.
The great thing is I understand why someone Iâd prolifeâŚand I can respect thatâŚdont have an abortionâŚeveryone winsâŚ
Itâs the flipside that we have problemsâŚprolifers dont respect pro choice viewsâŚthey never really willâŚits an absolute thing to be prolifeâŚ
Philosophy has no place here. And that is false, I am not arguing taxonomy. I am arguing embryology, and in general, the medical argument, from what I know so far. OB/GYNâs also see that there is no reason to do a late-term abortion- either they induce labor or they do a c-section.
Youâve done no such thing. Some people believe life is more meaningful than physical reductionism of unconscious organisms and how they circulate blood. If thatâs your argument for the meaning of what it means to be alive then thatâs pretty cold.
Iâm in the DC area, so though I couldnât go to this year, yea, there are many religious people, but it is not exclusive to religious people. Heck there is always a small contingent of atheists that carry signs of âAtheists for lifeâ, they donât get harassed. I think it is common sense, people who think of it from just a human point of view, this is a person in the womb, and it is not right to kill this person.
Of course it does. Abortion has always been a moral argument.
The fetus is very much conscious. It moves in the womb; it feels pain.
Oh boo hoo you think it is cold? What about ending an innocent life for the sake of convenience? You obviously donât have a problem with that.
choice is hamburger or hot dogs, not kill or not to kill.
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Everyoneâs views on morality are going to be subjective- so you really canât make that argument.
Wrong. Not for a very long time.
Iâm not crying. Although I do feel the question of what it means to be alive is more than âheart pumping bloodâ. I guess I am more spiritual than you.
Of course I can. Itâs why we live in a democracy and itâs why many believe in pro choice.
We are talking about a young fetus. Not a child or developed human with a consciousness.
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Wrong. Not for a very long time.
[/quote] Then prove it, with sources to back it up.
Not really. Not if you believe in abortion.
Are you going to take care of the non aborted children? Argue for a safety net / social programs? Or are you pro life as long as it doesnât inconvenience you or effect your life? Besides, we are talking about young fetuses who havent developed conscious capabilities
My views are objectively more spiritual than your cold physical reductionism of the human experience.
At fertilization the person comes into existence. Everything that this person will be, comes into the process at fertilization. Is this a person, if it is, why is ok to kill this person. If it is not a person, on what basis is it not a person. Describe to me what a person is please.
