Adam and Steve- Here we go again

[Liberty323]

@Jezcoe

@TheRedComet

I agree. They’re usually nice about it.

But I have ran into a handful that got mega upset that I said “sir” or “mam” when I wasn’t sure what their preferred gender was.

I misgendered a very masculine woman a few weeks ago.

I was way more embarrassed than she was.

Just out of curiosity, did you accidentally call her sir or ma’am?

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

@Jezcoe

@TheRedComet

I agree. They’re usually nice about it.

But I have ran into a handful that got mega upset that I said “sir” or “mam” when I wasn’t sure what their preferred gender was.

I misgendered a very masculine woman a few weeks ago.

I was way more embarrassed than she was.

Just out of curiosity, did you accidentally call her sir or ma’am?

I said to my wife “You talk to him”.

[Liberty323]

Oh no.

[Sknyluv]

@Liberty323

People look at me and know I’m a man, so there’s no use in me putting “he/him” after my name.

They don’t know that. They just assume you identify as a man and do the polite thing and address you as “he/him”. Outward appearance is a good indicator but it’s not the only way to determine someone’s pronoun.

[fallenturtle]

@Liberty323

@fallenturtle

@Liberty323

People look at me and know I’m a man, so there’s no use in me putting “he/him” after my name.

What if someone continuously referred to you with female pronouns?

Hasn’t happened yet and I don’t anticipate it. Just because it’s on the internet, don’t let it destroy your sense of perspective.

But if it did, would you be okay with it?

[Sknyluv]

@Liberty323

Same. If they’re cool I’ll indulge them.

That’s progress. People are indulging you by referring to you as “he/him”.

[Liberty323]

@Sknyluv

@Liberty323

Same. If they’re cool I’ll indulge them.

That’s progress. People are indulging you by referring to you as “he/him”.

Throughout all of human history, until just a few years ago, this was considered normal. Unless someone specifies otherwise (politely), I’ll call men, men, and women, women.

[Liberty323]

@fallenturtle

@Liberty323

@fallenturtle

@Liberty323

People look at me and know I’m a man, so there’s no use in me putting “he/him” after my name.

What if someone continuously referred to you with female pronouns?

Hasn’t happened yet and I don’t anticipate it. Just because it’s on the internet, don’t let it destroy your sense of perspective.

But if it did, would you be okay with it?

Funny you ask, because I have a first name that could be used by males or females, and sometimes in emails, people will address me as Ms. or “Ma’am”. I’ll jokingly respond “apparently I need to grow my beard longer” and they’ll apologize profusely and I’ll just say “it happens, don’t worry about it.”
If someone saw my appearance and kept referring to me as a female I’d think they were either trolls or mentally ill.

[fallenturtle]

@Liberty323

If someone saw my appearance and kept referring to me as a female I’d think they were either trolls or mentally ill.

Intentionally misgendering people is certainly a form of trolling.

[Sknyluv]

@Liberty323

I’ll call men, men, and women, women.

But you don’t know they are men or women. You’re just assuming someone’s gender based on outward appearance, societal norms, and common courtesy.

You’re right though, we tend to do things based on past experiences. But we’re talking about language here, and how society uses that language. Your hesitation to accept, and other’s complete adoption of this new “normal” is how society works all of this out.

I’ll add, I think it’s perfectly fine to question this new pronoun “movement”. You appear to be open and respectful to referring to someone’s preferred pronouns, and I think that’s really all that matters. If we’re respectful about this conversation and how we treat people, we can still disagree.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

… men, who are biologically female …

… are not men. Transgender doesn’t change that.

The post immediately preceding yours perfectly described your post.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

@fallenturtle

… men, who are biologically female …

… are not men. Transgender doesn’t change that.

The post immediately preceding yours perfectly described your post.

Setting aside your own opinions on transgender people, do you acknowledge that when someone is referring to a “transgender man”, they are referring to someone who is biologically female?

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

Setting aside your own opinions on transgender people

I set aside my opinion of you to respond to you.

That was my mistake.

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

@fallenturtle

Setting aside your own opinions on transgender people

I set aside my opinion of you to respond to you.

That was my mistake.

Why are you trying so hard to avoid admitting that when someone is referring to a “transgender man”, they are referring to someone who is biologically female?

That was a rhetorical question. I know why. It looks bad to admit some of your fellow conservatives are operating in bad faith.

Its not working. We can tell when y’all are playing dumb vs being ignorant.

[Liberty323]

@Sknyluv

@Liberty323

I’ll call men, men, and women, women.

But you don’t know they are men or women. You’re just assuming someone’s gender based on outward appearance, societal norms, and common courtesy.

You’re right though, we tend to do things based on past experiences. But we’re talking about language here, and how society uses that language. Your hesitation to accept, and other’s complete adoption of this new “normal” is how society works all of this out.

I’ll add, I think it’s perfectly fine to question this new pronoun “movement”. You appear to be open and respectful to referring to someone’s preferred pronouns, and I think that’s really all that matters. If we’re respectful about this conversation and how we treat people, we can still disagree.

I think it would be silly to ask every new person I meet if I should refer to them as sir or ma’am. I’ll just continue to do it based on outward appearances until they request me to address them otherwise. If they’re cool I’m cool.

[fallenturtle]

@Liberty323

@Sknyluv

@Liberty323

I’ll call men, men, and women, women.

But you don’t know they are men or women. You’re just assuming someone’s gender based on outward appearance, societal norms, and common courtesy.

You’re right though, we tend to do things based on past experiences. But we’re talking about language here, and how society uses that language. Your hesitation to accept, and other’s complete adoption of this new “normal” is how society works all of this out.

I’ll add, I think it’s perfectly fine to question this new pronoun “movement”. You appear to be open and respectful to referring to someone’s preferred pronouns, and I think that’s really all that matters. If we’re respectful about this conversation and how we treat people, we can still disagree.

I think it would be silly to ask every new person I meet if I should refer to them as sir or ma’am. I’ll just continue to do it based on outward appearances until they request me to address them otherwise. If they’re cool I’m cool.

That’s how it normally works.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

Why are you trying so hard to avoid admitting that when someone is referring to a “transgender man”, they are referring to someone who is biologically female?

Why do you think I am?

What warped thought process drew you to that conclusion?

This is a prime example of why I consider your posts disingenuous (at best.) And even deliberately dishonest.

And I assure you, I’m not the only one.

[Orygun]

So…ummm… GOPers…what the hell is happening to you?

1 in 4 Republicans Oppose Protecting Interracial Marriage

[fallenturtle]

@Guvnah

Why do you think I am?

What warped thought process drew you to that conclusion?

Because you avoided the question. A very straight forward question.

@Guvnah

This is a prime example of why I consider your posts disingenuous (at best.) And even deliberately dishonest.

That’s hilarious… you calling me disingenuous while avoiding admitting that when conservatives are like, “lol, liberals think men can get pregnant” they are being disingenuous.

I assure you, my posts are never deliberately dishonest and when they are (like in the case of humor or sarcasm), I make it clear. If you want to quote a post that proves this wrong, please do.

@Guvnah

And I assure you, I’m not the only one.

The fact that many conservatives on this forum don’t like me and/or think everyone on the left is disingenuous is not remotely novel information.

[Guvnah]

@fallenturtle

Because you avoided the question.

I’m avoiding you.

Go pester someone else.