A real discussion about health care

[Supreme_War_Pig]

But my point is that thousands of different payers require hundreds of different approaches. Single payer does away with this

But of course, I am not saying this is the ONE problem that when fixed, will fix the system. It was just an example.

[DMK]

@WuWei

Massive increase in the cost of catastrophic coverage.

Huh? You can get catastrophic coverage for less than an ObamaCare policy.

@WuWei

Or health insurance in general

Before or after ObamaCare?

[DisturbedGuy]

@WuWei

How do you keep the government from “skimming”?

I don’t really have an answer for that one other than citizens demand the politicians keep their hands out of it and hold them accountable if they break the rules. Either way our current system is broken and both parties need to stop bickering about it come up with a solution to fix it.

[DMK]

@DisturbedGuy

I don’t really have an answer for that one other than citizens demand the politicians keep their hands out of it and hold them accountable if they break the rules.

You should trust them. 100%

[WuWei]

@DisturbedGuy

@WuWei

How do you keep the government from “skimming”?

I don’t really have an answer for that one other than citizens demand the politicians keep their hands out of it and hold them accountable if they break the rules. Either way our current system is broken and both parties need to stop bickering about it come up with a solution to fix it.

When has that ever worked?

[AZslim]

@DMK

@AZslim

The cost of catastrophic medical care for things like cancer and other long term diseases is simply not possible for most people to save for.

My argument is having catastrophic insurance. In your OP it wasn’t a pre-existing condition.

Yes it was at the time the spouse lost their job.

[AZslim]

If one loses the insurance with that deductible, it doesn’t do any good if one has to pay for a new policy with a pre existing condition.

[AZslim]

@zantax

@AZslim

This was an interesting thread. It looks like the con response to people with serious, expensive heath care issues is ■■■■ off if you don’t have enough money. I didn’t really believe it until now.

Amazing.

Pretty sure the actual answer was, buy disability insurance.

Pretty sure most people can’t afford it after they lose their insurance and have a dependent with a catastrophic health condition.

[AZslim]

Littoral combat ships. The tax deduction for business losses. Welfare reform cutting 2.5% from entitlements.

[AZslim]

@Meriweather

@AZslim

This was an interesting thread. It looks like the con response to people with serious, expensive heath care issues is ■■■■ off if you don’t have enough money. I didn’t really believe it until now.

Amazing.

Conservatives have the habit of looking at the big picture. Start with the medical profession wanting to limit the number of medical students who wish to become doctors. If half the population wants to be doctors, then train all who want to be doctors and let the law of supply and demand sort it out.

Second, we see big business driving up the cost of pharmaceuticals beyond what people can expect to pay. Add in over prescribing. Then have insurance cover the inflated cost to the point people can’t pay for insurance. Then holler for the government. Pretend it is to help people when what is actually happening is government is helping the big business.

In your OP scenario: We conservatives would be the ones offering practical help to the family: May we do the shopping, mow the lawn, clean the house, sit with the infirm, share home-cooked meals, etc. This opposed to those who wave their hands and say, “Oh, the GOVERNMENT has programs for all of that as well.”

Conservative thought: Get the government, big business, and limiting class sizes out of the medical field and trust the people to manage their own personal care.

Cutting lawns to pay for chemotherapy? I don’t think so.

[WuWei]

@AZslim

Littoral combat ships. The tax deduction for business losses. Welfare reform cutting 2.5% from entitlements.

Yes
No
Yes

Good start. I would start with foreign aid first.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@WuWei

I like the idea of single payer, but not for the same reasons and I have some huge concerns.

The most logical approach would be a hybrid system in which catastrophic conditions were universally covered and then have private health insurance for the rest. Furthermore, does one really need health insurance to see a health care provider with something like a cold?

[AZslim]

I could get behind something like this.

[Guilds]

@Smyrna

“Conservative character” is one who conserves their resources and applies them to the area where they are most needed, placing their own wants towards the back of life’s bus.

In theory.

Not so much in reality.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

It doesn’t even have to be catastrophic. Something like a gallbladder can rapidly cascade out of control to become catastrophic

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Eagle-Keeper

@WuWei

I like the idea of single payer, but not for the same reasons and I have some huge concerns.

The most logical approach would be a hybrid system in which catastrophic conditions were universally covered and then have private health insurance for the rest. Furthermore, does one really need health insurance to see a health care provider with something like a cold?

Fine, but prepare yourself the massive cost

[Guilds]

@Supreme_War_Pig

That is true. Also getting rid of supplementary systems and businesses that don’t provide any care yet take money will help. For example, a single payer system will remove the need for everything built up around insurance billing and coding

People compare the taxes in other countries that provide healthcare, paid vacations, free higher education, low cost daycare, paid maternity leave for 3 months or longer, among other benefits.

But when one adds up what we pay for all those things, it is actually less expensive for most people on their system, then ours.

We just don’t call them taxes. But we pay more, and get less.

[tnt]

@Smyrna

If…the government was to assist, it should be after your assets are applied and depleted addressing your health.

Hooray for increasing the wealth gap…

[WuWei]

@Supreme_War_Pig

Also getting rid of supplementary systems and businesses that don’t provide any care yet take money will help.

Like the government.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

free higher education, low cost daycare, paid maternity leave for 3 months or longer,

I don’t pay for any of those things. Why should I?