A real discussion about health care

[tnt]

@WuWei

Like the government.

In a single payer system, the government PAYS the money.

[WuWei]

@tnt

@WuWei

Like the government.

In a single payer system, the government PAYS the money.

And TAKES the money. Without PROVIDING the HeAlTh CarE

[Supreme_War_Pig]

We quite literally pay the most for health care in this country (among industrialised nations) but have the worst outcomes

[tnt]

@Guilds

We just don’t call them taxes. But we pay more, and get less.

This is the whole scheme.

Convince the electorate that government is evil and can’t be trusted so that they will gladly give their money to private corps instead of paying higher taxes.

Privatize everything…that’s the plan.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

I see that you are done pretending to have a rational discussion

[DisturbedGuy]

@DMK

@DisturbedGuy

I don’t really have an answer for that one other than citizens demand the politicians keep their hands out of it and hold them accountable if they break the rules.

You should trust them. 100%

I don’t trust anyone 100%. I’ll give you a prime example of what health insurance providers do. My son needed surgery. We followed all the procedures outlined by our health insurance company and had the operation pre-approved to be covered under our plan. I even paid my deductible in full upfront. Guess what? When the actual claims started coming in they denied them all. It took 6 months, dozens of emails and phone calls to get them to pay the cost they had agreed. They are in the business of denying claims for profit. Everyone should find that appalling.

[tnt]

@WuWei

When has that ever worked?

Medicare and medicaid are extremely efficient systems.

[tnt]

@DisturbedGuy

I don’t trust anyone 100%. I’ll give you a prime example of what health insurance providers do. My son needed surgery. We followed all the procedures outlined by our health insurance company and had the operation pre-approved to be covered under our plan. I even paid my deductible in full upfront. Guess what? When the actual claims started coming in they denied them all. It took 6 months, dozens of emails and phone calls to get them to pay the cost they had agreed. They are in the business of denying claims for profit. Everyone should find that appalling.

I have many similar stories.

There is a strong profit motive in making the process as difficult as possible.

[AZslim]

@Supreme_War_Pig

It doesn’t even have to be catastrophic. Something like a gallbladder can rapidly cascade out of control to become catastrophic

I think when costs equal a percentage of income, one would qualify for help.

[Guilds]

@Smyrna

Do you believe you’re a conservative? I come from a long, long line of conservatives and have found the conservative methodology in addressing life leads to a more fulfilling one that isn’t based on money,

It is easy to say that, when one is born into a life where money is not an issue.

[Guilds]

@WuWei

I would say that remains to be seen. Government is not known for efficiency.

Medicare is very efficient. the checks are smaller, but the ir is no fighting over what to charge, how to charge, etc…

My wife was in the medical filed for 20 years. Medicare claims were easy. Insurance companies, not so much…

[WuWei]

@Supreme_War_Pig

I see that you are done pretending to have a rational discussion

Not at all. I am interested in the single payer scheme. I am cognizant of the propensity of the USG to screw up everything it touches.

There has to be some hard and fast mechanisms put into place. I don’t see how you do that when the government changes ever 4-8 years.

[Guilds]

@WuWei

I don’t pay for any of those things. Why should I?

Out of many, one.

[Guilds]

@tnt

Privatize everything…that’s the plan.

Sad but true.

If there is money to be made, all is good.

Despite the actual results.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

Medicare is very efficient. the checks are smaller, but the ir is no fighting over what to charge, how to charge, etc…

A lot of things are efficient until you start trying to scale them up.

I’ve seen a hybrid system. Lived in it. It works until you start talking about equity. Start saying every one deserves the same care, no matter what. And we will if we aren’t already.

Government run healthcare can work, if everybody agrees that the level of care is going to be based on a minimum, not the “best”.

I don’t know if we will agree to that.

[WuWei]

@tnt

Privatize everything…that’s the plan.

It was from Day 1.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

My point is, cons are up here pretending that the problem is not a stupid healthcare system, it’s lazy patients who aren’t saving enough

[WuWei]

Question: if we go to government healthcare, what would happen to organization like Shriner’s and St. Jude’s?

[WuWei]

@Supreme_War_Pig

My point is, cons are up here pretending that the problem is not a stupid healthcare system, it’s lazy patients who aren’t saving enough

And you’re going to make them “save”?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

I don’t know man, Medicare’s already pretty scaled up and has been running for years

Also Medicare is not in the business of paying for the least care. Typically, Medicare’s on the cutting edge of what is reimbursable, and once they approve of payment for a thing, other insurances follow