A quiet blow against private prisons

DMK · 2020-02-18T02:51:02.820Z

mobulis:

Less.

The death of a loved one via road rage or gang is still a life lost.

I’m sorry you see degrees of life lost via circumstances that surround it.

SottoVoce · 2020-02-18T02:51:26.233Z

Good. See the less-than-honorable judges Michael Conahan and Mark Ciaverella for two good reasons for-profit prisons shouldn’t exist.

Guilds · 2020-02-18T02:52:15.446Z

DMK:

I think so as well.

Prisoners would need to be treated as humans, that made mistakes, vs caged animals.
Also, the prison personnel would need to be properly trained.

Not sure if there would be enough of a profit motive, for a company to attempt.

Safiel · 2020-02-18T03:38:52.051Z

DMK:

Safiel:

But non-violent, non-sexual prisoners should have an expectation that they will not be exposed to violent or sexual inmates.

Why should they have that expectation?

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

They have more than an expectation, they have a RIGHT to humane treatment by virtue of Amendment 8 to the Constitution. Prison cannot be such a brutal experience as to constitute cruel and unusual punishment, even if that cruel and unusual punishment is inflicted by neglect, rather than design.

Silverdale Jail is clearly not meeting even the minimum standards.

SixFoot · 2020-02-18T04:19:30.943Z

Imprisonment is the punishment. Physical/sexual assault, is not OK, even when it happens to criminals.

armycowboy · 2020-02-18T04:28:11.352Z

SixFoot:

Imprisonment is the punishment. Physical/sexual assault, is not OK, even when it happens to criminals.

Well stated. Where I live we have a private prison and one run by the county. The private prison pays guards $10/hr while the county prison pays guards $16.98/hr. Where do you think more prison violence/gang activity occurs? Time to get rid of private prisons.

westaussie · 2020-02-18T06:10:35.638Z

We are rarely on the same side. However, on this we are. In my opinion all prisons should be government owned and run.

Ceasar · 2020-02-18T06:16:42.254Z

PurpnGold:

I wish we could get rid of for-profit prisons all together.

I agree. Most things government does I prefer the private sector do, even doing public works, but this is one thing I think is the job of the government. I think the incentives to put more & more people in jail for profit is too great & I think leads to abuse. There is too many people in jail anyway. I think there is better ways to deal with some crimes, & some crimes shouldn’t be crimes.

PurpnGold · 2020-02-18T06:50:23.051Z

Ceasar:

I agree. Most things government does I prefer the private sector do, even doing public works, but this is one thing I think is the job of the government. I think the incentives to put more & more people in jail for profit is too great & I think leads to abuse. There is too many people in jail anyway. I think there is better ways to deal with some crimes, & some crimes shouldn’t be crimes.

Said perfectly. We finally agree on something

mobulis · 2020-02-18T08:50:54.662Z

DMK:

mobulis:

Less.

The death of a loved one via road rage or gang is still a life lost.

I’m sorry you see degrees of life lost via circumstances that surround it.

Would you rather die peacefully or tortured to death?

WuWei · 2020-02-18T14:05:11.490Z

How about we stop putting people in prison for every little thing?

Ceasar · 2020-02-18T18:56:40.678Z

PurpnGold:

Ceasar:

I agree. Most things government does I prefer the private sector do, even doing public works, but this is one thing I think is the job of the government. I think the incentives to put more & more people in jail for profit is too great & I think leads to abuse. There is too many people in jail anyway. I think there is better ways to deal with some crimes, & some crimes shouldn’t be crimes.

Said perfectly. We finally agree on something

I don’t think this is a partisan issue, I hope not anyway. Left or right, we can do better, I hope we as a people can be better. Thanks Purpn

SixFoot · 2020-02-18T19:35:54.910Z

WuWei:

How about we stop putting people in prison for every little thing?

Lets start with victimless crimes. No more locking people up for what they do to themselves, only what they do to others.

WuWei · 2020-02-18T19:37:56.839Z

SixFoot:

WuWei:

How about we stop putting people in prison for every little thing?

Lets start with victimless crimes. No more locking people up for what they do to themselves, only what they do to others.

Safiel · 2020-02-18T20:05:50.169Z

More effective measures would be to eliminate mandatory minimums and gimmicks such as three strikes laws.

Reduce statutory ranges.

Undo other damage from the 1980’s “tough on crime” era.

Konssurvative1 · 2020-02-18T21:09:53.627Z

The Prisoner’s who were removed were not convicted of any crimes…they were awaiting trial in Gang infested Privately Run Federal Prisons. Which is an oxymoron. they were federal prisoners held in a privately run prison, awaiting trial and therefore there is no quilt established.

Safiel · 2020-02-18T21:21:20.436Z

Konssurvative1:

The Prisoner’s who were removed were not convicted of any crimes…they were awaiting trial in Gang infested Privately Run Federal Prisons. Which is an oxymoron. they were federal prisoners held in a privately run prison, awaiting trial and therefore there is no quilt established.

A minor correction. The facility (Silverdale Jail) is actually operated on behalf of Hamilton County, Tennessee and is not a Federal facility in any way. Federal pre-trial detainees are traditionally held in county jails while awaiting trial, except for particularly dangerous or high profile detainees such as El Chapo.

Konssurvative1 · 2020-02-18T21:48:22.696Z

Thanks for the clarification…I mis read that.

SixFoot · 2020-02-18T21:55:40.972Z

That’s fine, but what about rehabilitation/reintegration?

Ceasar · 2020-02-19T01:16:34.760Z

SixFoot:

That’s fine, but what about rehabilitation/reintegration?

Personally I would like to see mandatory rehab for drug addicts rather than prison, but for long enough to actually rehab them completely. Too many times its 2 weeks & out. Not often nearly long enough.

Either that or legalize drugs. The war on drugs never worked. Still not. The only way is to either make it all legal, or put the death penalty for selling drugs. Anything else will just be status quo, no end of the “war on drugs” with sky high drugs prices with addicts stealing to stay supplied.