Democrats would love to do that. It would drag their political circus out indefinitely.
The point is, and this was Alexanders point, that if the allegation is not impeachable even if true (and he thought it was true) then there is no need to have witnesses to prove it.
Impeachment is a Constitutional process not a criminal one.
Removal from office (and possibly being barred from holding office) are the only outcomes.
The House impeached Trump - that is their role. Some think he was railroaded, some thing they provided enough evidence.
The Senateās role was to hold a fair trial to present the evidence available. Looks like McConnell will get his white washed trial.
As Mulvaney said āGet over it.ā
The House action is done. The Senate action may be done today. But I can guarantee you it will not end here as more and more information come into the public sphere through Bolton, FOIA actions, and others that spill the beans. It will not look good on Senate Republicanās.
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If this were a judicial trial and there were witnesses needed to prove or disprove a crime, then those witnesses should be allowed.
Here, as we have been told many times, no crime is alleged or needed.
However, if there is no crime then what rises to the level of impeachment is subjective. If it is not possible that 2/3 of the senate believe that, even if true, the allegations are impeachableā¦then what (other than political show) is the purpose of witnesses?
Go ahead, would have had not objection to investigating Biden.
However 2017 - nothing.
However 2018 - nothing.
Now itās 2019 and J. Biden becomes the leading DEM opponent to Trump (at the time) and āHE MUST BE INVESTIGATED!!!ā
Sorry the turd that it was about corruption (none being shown) donāt float. It was about Trump using his office to advance his personal reelection campaign by damaging a moderate that could beat him.
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Its not hard at all. The question is, assuming all allegations are true, is it at the level of removal from office. My judgement is not. We shall soon see the Senateās judgement.
Please donāt say āYet you say you can uphold the constitution by denying due process.ā to make it personal about me.
Supporters of the President were given equal time to question those deposed.
The Senate will choose today to NOT subpoena witnesses. To NOT allow the President to face his accursed to NOT provide for the presentation of exculpatory witnesses. THEY are also denying ādue processā
So donāt place that blame only on the House. The Senate is denying due process also.
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Of course you think itās not, heās your guy. Iād put money down that youād feel much differently if it was a Biden or Obama or a Sanders in the hot seat.
A fair trial is a trial that is not conducted by congress. Which side has placed fairness and good intentions above winning? Nobody cares about fairness.
What is irreconcilable, save for one reason, is Trump not wanting witnesses in the trial that should ostensibly clear him completely. The only sane, rational explanation is that Trump knows that the witnesses wouldnāt clear him, they would damn him.
Why would anyone not want to ensure that the record contains evidence of oneās innocence for posterity?