But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
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But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
Ask a progress where they want to progress too.
We know the answer.
Optrader: Borgia_dude: gooddad409:Communism and Socialism are kissing cousins in my book.
Both to be avoided like the plaque!
Easily avoided by regular brushing and flossing.
That and keep Democrats out of office…
But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
Everything they do leads to communism. The only thing slowing them down is Republicans.
Borgia_dude: Optrader: Borgia_dude: gooddad409:Communism and Socialism are kissing cousins in my book.
Both to be avoided like the plaque!
Easily avoided by regular brushing and flossing.
That and keep Democrats out of office…
But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
Everything they do leads to communism. The only thing slowing them down is Republicans.
Yet no communism exists in any European country which have adopted many of the sort of Democratic policies that you claim lead to communism. Now, you can go on believing whatever you want, or, you can actually look at evidence (as demonstrated by E.U. countries) and modify your position. Your choice.
Optrader: Borgia_dude: Optrader: Borgia_dude: gooddad409:Communism and Socialism are kissing cousins in my book.
Both to be avoided like the plaque!
Easily avoided by regular brushing and flossing.
That and keep Democrats out of office…
But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
Everything they do leads to communism. The only thing slowing them down is Republicans.
Yet no communism exists in any European country which have adopted many of the sort of Democratic policies that you claim lead to communism. Now, you can go on believing whatever you want, or, you can actually look at evidence (as demonstrated by E.U. countries) and modify your position. Your choice.
OR, you can reread my posts, starting with my OP, and realize my position doesn’t have to change at all.
When…you’re scared fecesless about facing life and the responsibilities that come with it, those who would prefer socialism over capitalism, are actually professing, they would still rather be babies and suck the teet. Life…is too hard.
The ability to think is conditioned out of them. Replaced by mindless mantras and entitlement. Makes it easier to demonize wealthy people.
Borgia_dude: Optrader: Borgia_dude: Optrader: Borgia_dude: gooddad409:Communism and Socialism are kissing cousins in my book.
Both to be avoided like the plaque!
Easily avoided by regular brushing and flossing.
That and keep Democrats out of office…
But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
Everything they do leads to communism. The only thing slowing them down is Republicans.
Yet no communism exists in any European country which have adopted many of the sort of Democratic policies that you claim lead to communism. Now, you can go on believing whatever you want, or, you can actually look at evidence (as demonstrated by E.U. countries) and modify your position. Your choice.
OR, you can reread my posts, starting with my OP, and realize my position doesn’t have to change at all.
Can you clarify your position? Because it sure sounds like you are accusing Democrats of promoting socialist policies which you believe always leads to communism.
Any clarification of details would be appreciated.
Smyrna:When…you’re scared fecesless about facing life and the responsibilities that come with it, those who would prefer socialism over capitalism, are actually professing, they would still rather be babies and suck the teet. Life…is too hard.
The ability to think is conditioned out of them. Replaced by mindless mantras and entitlement. Makes it easier to demonize wealthy people.
Snowflakes.
That was one of the first threads I posted after first finding this site more than a decade ago.
It went for over a thousand posts without a single straight answer as to how to define or measure progress, what the end goal was, or how we’d know when we arrived at wherever they were hoping to take us.
Ya’ll tried that “we’re all socialists now” line in 2016, it didn’t work then and it isn’t going to work now.
fallenturtle: Optrader:You can not transform the system from within. It is based on lies and an absolute ignorance of our nature.
Then you have nothing to fear of Democratic Socialists.
Optrader:The first thing people like Bernie want to do is massively redistribute wealth. This is just another term for “taxing the rich.” It never happens though. The “socialist” leaders start by appealing to the masses, first by creating envy and resentment among the poor, then by gradually increasing taxes. The promise is EQUALITY. The higher taxes will end up helping the poor. By these promises, politicians gain support and get elected. After getting elected, they continue to promise more and more taxes on the rich, with more and more benefits to the poor. The taxes though, never seem to diminish poverty. The poor remain poor but are constantly reassured of better things to come. Meanwhile, more and more things are confiscated from the rich, in the name of fairness. NOBODY surrenders their stuff voluntarily or votes to have it taken from them.
Again it sounds more like you are complaining about social democracy which is similar to the current DNC platform. In general Socialists don’t want to help the poor via taxing the rich, they want to instead have the workers own the factories and companies so that there is less of an income gap between the various classes because the workers will retain more of the fruits if their labor instead of a company owner profiting off of it.
Optrader:Socialism always is forced on society and it becomes indistinguishable from communism.
That’s a contradiction. When you have a communist society there is no government to “force” socialism. Everyone freely works for the benefit of all. I personally don’t think that’s going to be possible until we are post-scarcity… so like, no time soon.
Conflating socialism with communism is intellectually lazy and is disingenuous. It pastes all the failures of so-called communist states onto socialism despite being an umbrella term for a broad variety ideas and solutions many of which aren’t related to communism.
In fact its partially because of this disingenuous association that socialism is become more popular in the US because the younger generation is realizing that the “scary” communist states of the USSR and China aren’t actually representative of socialism as a whole. When you lie, people stop believing you. It’s like kids of my generation (80s-90s) who by high school stopped believing what the government was saying about drugs because it was obvious they were lying about the effects marijuana. There might very well be good reasons why socialism/marijuana are bad, but if you make up untrue exaggerations instead of laying out the facts, no one is going to listen.
In summary, if you want to protect capitalism from socialism, its in your interest to drop the red-scare ■■■■■■■■ and instead deal in actual facts.I began by explaining that the definitions of Socialism and communism are easily looked up. However, even the definitions are sometimes interchanged depending on where you look them up. What you guys seem incapable of doing is getting past a dictionary definition of a word and seeing how it is playing out in the real world.
For cryin out loud, do you think " the people" would have been behind Lenin, Mao or Castro if they were proclaiming the truth about what Socialism and Communism ALWAYS lead to??? If so, you are the perfect example of everything I pointed out. You went through school just as the left was nearing it’s complete control of the public schools. It’s so much easier to slowly feed mush heads full of crap over time then a fairly quick revolution, but the results are the same.
While “Socialism” is being pushed, our country is seeing exactly the same other things being done as was done in Communist countries. The media, while not out right controlled by the government, had become so infiltrated with left wing bias, it might as well be renamed the American Pravda. Society is being dumbed down, distracted, lied to, misdirected, homogenized and divided into smaller and smaller groups. Our rights are being slowly diminished by political correctness, ignorance and apathy. And last but not least, the push to disarm us.
The most telling and disturbing thing you say, which is communism to the core is " everyone freely works for the benefit of all." IOW, from each according to his ability to each according to his need, which I’m sure you haven’t been taught, is the Communist mantra… Yes, I’m the one intellectually lazy for not being able to tell the difference between Socialism and Communism …
That’s Marxism.
I’m sure those living under communist China and the Communist Soviet Union would disagree.
Communism in practice never looks like it does in a text book.
Communism has never been in practice outside of a kibbutz. You need to understand the difference between a communist state and a communist society. A communist state is single-party government who’s goal is ultimately transitioning to communism and is instituting socialism. In practice they tend to suck. A communist society is what the end goal is once the state/government “withers away”.
Mao, Lennin, Stalin, Castro, et all are laughing at you.
We’ve seen communism in practice, it doesn’t look like your textbook definition.
The closer to true socialism a country gets, the worse it’s economy becomes until it collapses. That’s usually about the time a military dictatorship begins…
If you’re talking about Mao, Lenin, Castro, those sorts of people, they didn’t come to power after socialism had collapsed, they came to power promising socialism.
And what even is “true socialism”? There’s socialism with planned economies, there’s socialism with market based economies. There’s socialism where the state owns businesses, there’s socialism where co-ops own businesses. Many variations, so which one is the true socialism?
Mao, Lennin, Stalin, Castro, et all are laughing at you.
We’ve seen communism in practice, it doesn’t look like your textbook definition.
Are you replying to me? I can’t tell. I’m assuming you aren’t since you’re still talking about “communism in practice” which I explained hasn’t happened and probably won’t until we are post-scarcity.
Optrader: Borgia_dude: Optrader: Borgia_dude: Optrader: Borgia_dude: gooddad409:Communism and Socialism are kissing cousins in my book.
Both to be avoided like the plaque!
Easily avoided by regular brushing and flossing.
That and keep Democrats out of office…
But you have already shown that higher taxes and similar Democrat policies do not lead to communism.
Everything they do leads to communism. The only thing slowing them down is Republicans.
Yet no communism exists in any European country which have adopted many of the sort of Democratic policies that you claim lead to communism. Now, you can go on believing whatever you want, or, you can actually look at evidence (as demonstrated by E.U. countries) and modify your position. Your choice.
OR, you can reread my posts, starting with my OP, and realize my position doesn’t have to change at all.
Can you clarify your position? Because it sure sounds like you are accusing Democrats of promoting socialist policies which you believe always leads to communism.
Any clarification of details would be appreciated.
You’re trying to understand his position, but that’s going to be hard because its based in ignorance and absurdities.
You claiming it doesn’t make it true.
Those leaders defined communism in practice for the world in the last century.
How is it not true? None of those leaders claimed to be practicing communism. They defined the communist state in practice, but that’s not communism. They practiced a centrally planned socialist economy combined with an authoritarian dictatorship. I don’t think either of those things are good, the former being inefficient and inaccurate and the latter being morally wrong.
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Which takes us right back to the fact that communism in practice never looks like it does in a text book.
Yes there has been and still are communist countries the fact they failed because they were ruled by tyrants doesn’t make it any less unattractive. And over 60 million dead by communism would probably tell you the same, if they could that basically it sucks.
A person could make the same argument for fascism and it would be just as ridiculous.