A day that still lives in infamy

Guvnah · 2023-12-07T17:08:51.352Z

Even after 82 years.

Just putting this topic on the board to remember the day.

TheRedComet · 2023-12-07T17:12:49.442Z

The craziest thing about it to me was how the USS Arizona went out.

One lucky Japanese pilot dropped a lucky bomb that busted through multiple decks and detonated in the magazine for the main guns.

The witnesses there saw the ship literally bloat and her entire steel superstructure stretch and then exploded. It was such a large explosion that it left a mushroom cloud similar to one from a small tactical nuclear weapon.

More than 3/4 of the crew of the ship was killed literally instantly. She’s the only ship of battleship row that was unable to be raised and repaired and go back into service. Other ships (like the Nevada that took multiple torpedoes and capsized) were able to be raised and repaired. Some of them even got to see service later in the war and get some revenge. Not Arizona though. She’s laying in the bay the exact same way she sunk to this day. Most of her sailors were never recovered.

A tomb to brave souls.

TheRedComet · 2023-12-07T17:28:08.755Z

Pearl Harbor also shows how an operationally brilliant plan can become a strategic disaster. The Japanese operation was well planned and well done. But because of circumstances they couldn’t account for it ended up being a strategic mistake for the Empire.

The aircraft carriers were not there. Of course no one really recognized how important they would turn out to be during the pacific war just yet. But the failure to plan for the American aircraft carriers not being there ended up being the biggest blunder the Japanese empire ever made. Had they been able to sink the US pacific carrier fleets that would have been disastrous for us at battles like the Coral Sea and Midway. The Essex class ships weren’t in service until 1943. We were relying on our pre war carriers until the Essexes entered service.

Not only that but their strategic planning didn’t account for the American people and our culture and how we would respond to being sneak attacked. They thought they could repeat Port Arthur. One big punch and we would agree to enter peace negotiations with them.

They never anticipated the American people coming out and saying “we are going to kill every single one of those bastards for this. And we will spend every bit of blood and sweat and tears we have to make sure that happens.”

Well a few Japanese officers kind of expected it to turn out like it did. The Ones who had served as exchange officers in the 1920s and 30s and got a chance to live among Americans for a few years. Those guys knew it was dumb and if the plan failed they would lose to our combination of American rage and our unmatched economic output. They just couldn’t convince anyone of their viewpoint. So the plan went ahead.

SixFoot · 2023-12-07T17:34:17.113Z

Tonight I also light a candle on the Menorah.

Happy Chanukah, everyone.

FreeAndClear · 2023-12-08T00:07:07.424Z

Not to derail.