Tegnell heroically bucked the conventional wisdom of every other nation and carefully examined the insubstantial evidence that social-isolation controls would help reduce COVID-19 deaths over the full course of the virus
“Heroically” is a pretty gross way to describe it. They have 30% more deaths per million than us.
It is ironic that half of the Swedish deaths are in people over the age of 86. Life expectancy in Sweden is 83, whereas it’s 79 in the U.S., so it isn’t surprising that there are relatively more frail elderly in Sweden. Out of every 100,000 births, about 10,000 more Swedes are still alive at age 85 than Americans are, so Sweden’s slightly higher COVID-19 death rate, compared with ours, mostly reflects the fact that a larger percentage of Swedes live well past 79.
So, on an age-adjusted basis, Sweden has done significantly better than the U.S. in terms of both cases per million and deaths per million — and with no lockdowns.
I would laugh at this if he wasn’t using it to justify sacrificing six more 9/11s worth of Americans to the virus.
Of course, Sweden paid a price during the pandemic. But whatever price the Swedes paid for their COVID-19 policy, they will tell you it was worth it. And it is easy to figure out that price. They never cratered their economy or blocked nonemergency surgeries. They had more deaths than their Nordic neighbors, but nothing even close to the 650 deaths per million the U.S. suffered during the 1968 Hong Kong flu, a pandemic that was handled with few social-isolation controls and no lockdowns
No comment.
It look likes they are doing pretty good compared to other European countries unless the stats are wrong from EuropeMOMO who monitors mortality rates from government data in Europe. If these stats are correct and they end up getting a herd immunity soon it would be hard to belittle their approach.
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WuWei
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Because you’re not shut down. We’re not all in this together.
tnt
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Yes, I am.
My showroom is not allowed to open. I can not have walk traffic or client meetings there. Until this past friday, my men could not legally work.
They now can work in the field, but my showroom is still closed.
WuWei
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No you are not. You are working. Millions are not. You just became irrelevant on shut down talk.
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tnt
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that’s absurd. My company is completely gutted. I’ve got zero income and no way to do regular business.
Anyway, I reread those articles. Nothing really new there - Taiwan had a nationalized response that tested tracked and a host of other observation and reporting processes to nip it in the bud and it worked.
Do you support us doing the same?
Working or not, that’s an odd reason to discount someone’s opinion on the shutdown.
Get your coworkers to fill out surveys online for pennies, and they could technically be “working” right now too.
WuWei
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It’s not absurd. Have a nice day.
WuWei
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I’ve been thinking about this. I’m thinking the Taiwan model might should be SOP for metropolitan areas.
I think whatever we do, we need to focus the first mitigations on cities and the vulnerable.
tnt
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And anyway, what does my opinion on shutdowns have to do with the conversation we were having about Taiwan and their effective response to COVID 19?
WuWei
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Do we think testing and contact tracing would be more or less difficult in cities than other areas?
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Imagine if they had the same obesity, diabetes, smoking etc rate as the United States and ran this experiment.
NJBob
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I think contact tracing may actually be easier in NYC than in a lot of other places. Smartphone/Bluetooth apps should be an effective tool for this and as you know us big city lib sheeple are willing to sacrifice our freedom to stay alive. 
WuWei
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It wouldn’t surprise me if city people were more willing. I was thinking the numbers might make it more difficult.
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I saw similar numbers from one of the European sites among European countries the death rate in Sweden was lower than most of their European neighbors.
Centuries of being “Ruled” rather than “Governed” and a lack of constitutional rights with a mono culture that bows to authority routinely probably has a lot to do with it.
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Higher population density and density of cell towers pretty well guarantees it would be much more effective.
How many Americans would acede to such an invasion of privacy?
I doubt many, we still have a culture that overall respects and protects individual rights and our Constitutional protections, while weakened by the courts over time still exist.
There will be thousands of civil rights law firms chomping at the bit to fight such impositions.
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Every one of those who is stating we need to stay in our homes and hide at least until Fall.
Every one of those who cheer on the police etc. who arrest people who are alone in a playground.
Every one of those who agree that herds of people going through Wal-Mart is OK , but less than 20 people sitting in a church is Armageddon
There are plenty who would gladly allow this and praise it. They are basically doing it now and not a soul has been bitching about it.
-MILLIONS of Americans willfully download google maps and allows tracking of their phone simply to enjoy real time traffic info on their drive. That happens today. Right now. And while some are concern, more then enough Americans are ok with the trade off.
I would venture a guess that if MILLIONS do it simply for traffic updates, even more Americans would allow the cell contract tracing to be alerted if they came in contact with anyone else that tested positive.
