A Black former police officer explains the nature of systemic racism in the US

[Samm]

@WuWei

@Samm

But if you think Trump thinks Mexican is a race and thus inadvertently sounded racist to those who think he thinks that, perhaps you should take it up with him. Or perhaps to be a bit more realistic, you could look up and study the actual meaning of the word.

There was nothing in inadvertent about it.

I gave you the meaning of the word.

You are right, he deliberately called him a Mexican, but the racist connotation (which was based on the misuse of the word by others) was inadvertent.

You are not an authority on the definition of the word.

[fallenturtle]

So racism in inevitable?

[zantax]

@WuWei

@peek-a-boo

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton were among those who took center stage under Obama.

That’s not true.

No?

GOP Wisconsin House member on Sharpton at White House

[WuWei]

@Guilds

@WuWei

Obama played it to the hilt.

Tell me something, what on a birth certificate needs to be redacted?

Wow…

Thanks for sharing.

Care to answer the question?

[WuWei]

@Guilds

@DMK

Someday, libs will get over it isn’t about color but policy.

For some, you are correct. For others, it was absolutely race.

Evidence.

[WuWei]

@Guilds

Obama did try to represent everyone. he reached cross the aisle so many time, but pubs, acting like Lucy kept pulling the football away every time Obama tried to play.

When a black kid is shot, or a black professor is harassed in his own home…how does he not even slightly mention it? You do know Obama is black…,right?

Myth. A fairy tale.

[WuWei]

@Samm

@WuWei

@Samm

But Mexican, as we have clearly agreed, is not a race.

I have not agreed.

So you think Mexican is a race? Seriously?

I don’t know yet. You seem to need to convolute it with “ethnicity” in order to excuse Trump. I’m still working through it.

What’s the difference between a racist and an ethnicist?

[WuWei]

@Samm

You are right, he deliberately called him a Mexican, but the racist connotation (which was based on the misuse of the word by others) was inadvertent.

You are not an authority on the definition of the word.

How was it inadvertent? He didn’t mean to say Curiel is Mexican?

Didn’t claim to be, I looked it up.

Is race a social construct?

[zantax]

@WuWei

@Samm

You are right, he deliberately called him a Mexican, but the racist connotation (which was based on the misuse of the word by others) was inadvertent.

You are not an authority on the definition of the word.

How was it inadvertent? He didn’t mean to say Curiel is Mexican?

Didn’t claim to be, I looked it up.

Is race a social construct?

Not a construct that includes transforming nationality into race.

[WuWei]

@zantax

@WuWei

@peek-a-boo

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton were among those who took center stage under Obama.

That’s not true.

No?

PolitiFact | GOP Wisconsin House member on Sharpton visits to Obama White House

No. Center stage.

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

@WuWei

@peek-a-boo

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton were among those who took center stage under Obama.

That’s not true.

No?

PolitiFact | GOP Wisconsin House member on Sharpton visits to Obama White House

No. Center stage.

I’d call 80 some trips to the white house up on the stage.

[WuWei]

@zantax

Not a construct that includes transforming nationality into race.

Actually it does, but ok. What is Mexican nationality about Curiel that made Trump believe he is Mexican?

You can’t have it both ways.

Trump claimed Curiel had attacked him and his border policies and would be unable to be objective because “he is, we believe, Mexican.” Curiel was born in Indiana, so obviously he is not of Mexican nationality.

So what is Mexican about Curiel. @samm said “ethnicity”. What is the difference between race and ethnicity? Did Trump use the difference to distinguish why he believes Curiel is “Mexican”?

On what basis do “he is, we believe, Mexican”?

[PAmoderate37]

@WuWei

@Guilds

Obama did try to represent everyone. he reached cross the aisle so many time, but pubs, acting like Lucy kept pulling the football away every time Obama tried to play.

When a black kid is shot, or a black professor is harassed in his own home…how does he not even slightly mention it? You do know Obama is black…,right?

Myth. A fairy tale.

I voted for and still like Obama. However, I don’t think most liberals realize the damage his guns and bibles quote did. Most liberals see it as not a big deal and even true. Conservatives see bibles and guns as the foundation of this country.

[WuWei]

@zantax

@WuWei

@zantax

@WuWei

@peek-a-boo

Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton were among those who took center stage under Obama.

That’s not true.

No?

PolitiFact | GOP Wisconsin House member on Sharpton visits to Obama White House

No. Center stage.

I’d call 80 some trips to the white house up on the stage.

I would call being on the stage being center stage. They had to check the book to see how many times he went.

But ok.

[WuWei]

@PAmoderate37

@WuWei

@Guilds

Obama did try to represent everyone. he reached cross the aisle so many time, but pubs, acting like Lucy kept pulling the football away every time Obama tried to play.

When a black kid is shot, or a black professor is harassed in his own home…how does he not even slightly mention it? You do know Obama is black…,right?

Myth. A fairy tale.

I voted for and still like Obama. However, I don’t think most liberals realize the damage his guns and bibles quote did. Most liberals see it as not a big deal and even true. Conservatives see bibles and guns as the foundation of this country.

I didn’t think the US was ready yet, but I was wrong.

I didn’t vote for him and I don’t like him as a President.

Having said that, he evolved into a not terrible one. Setting a couple of things aside really improves his score from me. But they can’t be set aside.

Yes, he insulted a lot of people with that remark. And Trump insulted a lot of people with some of his remarks.

I will not fault one and not the other.

[WuWei]

@PAmoderate37

@WuWei

@Guilds

Obama did try to represent everyone. he reached cross the aisle so many time, but pubs, acting like Lucy kept pulling the football away every time Obama tried to play.

When a black kid is shot, or a black professor is harassed in his own home…how does he not even slightly mention it? You do know Obama is black…,right?

Myth. A fairy tale.

I voted for and still like Obama. However, I don’t think most liberals realize the damage his guns and bibles quote did. Most liberals see it as not a big deal and even true. Conservatives see bibles and guns as the foundation of this country.

I didn’t think the US was ready yet, but I was wrong.

I didn’t vote for him and I don’t like him as a President.

Having said that, he evolved into a not terrible one. Setting a couple of things aside really improves his score from me. But they can’t be set aside.

Yes, he insulted a lot of people with that remark. And Trump insulted a lot of people with some of his remarks.

I will not fault one and not the other.

[zantax]

@WuWei

@zantax

Not a construct that includes transforming nationality into race.

Actually it does, but ok. What is Mexican nationality about Curiel that made Trump believe he is Mexican?

You can’t have it both ways.

Trump claimed Curiel had attacked him and his border policies and would be unable to be objective because “he is, we believe, Mexican.” Curiel was born in Indiana, so obviously he is not of Mexican nationality.

So what is Mexican about Curiel. @samm said “ethnicity”. What is the difference between race and ethnicity? Did Trump use the difference to distinguish why he believes Curiel is “Mexican”?

On what basis do “he is, we believe, Mecican”?

I would imagine the fact that his parents came here from Mexico. In any case I wouldn’t hold Trump up as an expert on race. Simple fact, nationality is not a race, no matter what Trump or anyone else thinks. Mexico, like every other country has citizens from every race.

[WuWei]

@zantax

I would imagine the fact that his parents came here from Mexico. In any case I wouldn’t hold Trump up as an expert on race. Simple fact, nationality is not a race, no matter what Trump or anyone else thinks. Mexico, like every other country has citizens from every race.

Then it wasn’t based on nationality, it was based on something else. What? What other characteristics was it based on?

What is the difference between race and what ever else he used (ethmicity) when using it to disparage?

Race and ethnicity share far more than they separate. They are both social constructs, not science. So when you attack someone based on them, you are cutting too fine a line to distinguish.

This is the judge. His name is Gonzalo Paul Curiel. What about him leads us to believe his nationality is Mexican?

It was a racist remark. “Ethnicist” doesn’t exist. “Culturist” doesn’t exist, although I’m working on it. I’m a culturist myself.

Is there anything Curiel has done that would lead us to believe he is incapable of ruling objectively on the law because of his ethnicity?

How about culture? Now that one I would say yes. He seems to be a prog. Did Trump call him a prog? No, he called him a Mexican. He’s not a Mexican, he’s an American. Has been since birth. A natural born citizen. A Hoosier.

Did Trump say he is a Mexican national?

If you’re going to use it as a race, it’s racism. If you’re using it to split hairs between race and ethnicity to disparage, it’s racism.

My son is half Colombian. He has been called a “wetback”. Racism?

[WuWei]

@zantax

Simple fact, nationality is not a race,

I agree.

@zantax

I would imagine the fact that his parents came here from Mexico.

What does that have to do with Curiel’s nationality?

[zantax]

Again, no matter what Trump or anyone else may say about someone, nationality is not a race.