94% of COVID deaths had underlying medical conditions

Jezcoe · 2020-09-02T18:06:31.710Z

Ben_Natuf:

it makes no sense because your narrative won’t allow logic to intercede.

No… it makes no sense because it is nonsensical.

After what happened in NYC, the country knew what could happen.

There was a complete failure to stop the spread of the virus and to prepare for what could be seen coming.

The fatalism that there is nothing that can be done to stop the spread is a disease unto itself and it only exists in one Western country.

WuWei · 2020-09-02T18:15:20.549Z

Jezcoe:

There was a complete failure to stop the spread of the virus and to prepare for what could be seen coming.

How when NYers fleeing lock down were spreading it.

WuWei · 2020-09-02T18:16:21.068Z

Jezcoe:

The fatalism that there is nothing that can be done to stop the spread is a disease unto itself and it only exists in one Western country.

You cannot stop the spread of a respiratory virus.

Nowhere has it been stopped.

WuWei · 2020-09-02T18:22:53.405Z

Just today in Europe so far:
New cases

Spain -8,581
England - 1,508
Germany - 892
France - 7,017
Italy - 1,326

Where exactly has it been stopped?

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-02T18:28:47.645Z

the idea that we can stop a virus is nonsense. we can slow its spread, thats all. over time the same number of people will be infected and the same number will die. slowing the spread is only good if we get a vaccine before it runs its course. if not, all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. the curve is the same wherever it hits. it is the virus signature curve. it doesn’t change. taking the curve for ny and saying… this is the national curve is nonsense. the curve matters where it hits, not where it doesn’t.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-02T18:30:00.113Z

and they are only testing symptomatic cases

Jezcoe · 2020-09-02T18:54:46.181Z

Ben_Natuf:

over time the same number of people will be infected and the same number will die.

This is probably false.

See also: everywhere else.

Camp · 2020-09-02T18:55:25.461Z

A very important distinction.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-02T19:04:36.634Z

nope, this is entirely true.

according to sneaky’s numbers, there were 20K new cases in just 5 european countries today. most of whom are only testing symptomatic people. no-one has “defeated” the virus.

the mitigation efforts were never supposed to “defeat” the virus, they can’t. They were supposed to slow the spread so the medical systems could handle the case load. it has been known from the beginning that over time, without a vaccine, the end result would be no different.

sikofit · 2020-09-02T19:16:16.518Z

Ben_Natuf:

nope, this is entirely true.

according to sneaky’s numbers, there were 20K new cases in just 5 european countries today. most of whom are only testing symptomatic people. no-one has “defeated” the virus.

the mitigation efforts were never supposed to “defeat” the virus, they can’t. They were supposed to slow the spread so the medical systems could handle the case load. it has been known from the beginning that over time, without a vaccine, the end result would be no different.

And Europe is doing a whole lot better in that regard with less than half the number of new cases per capita

JimmyC · 2020-09-02T19:24:34.710Z

So you are not countng EU countries that you think were not hit, but you are including the states that were not hit when you make your comparison of the US to the EU? That’s going to skew your comparison.

sikofit · 2020-09-02T19:28:45.460Z

JimmyC:

So you are not countng EU countries that you think were not hit, but you are including the states that were not hit when you make your comparison of the US to the EU? That’s going to skew your comparison.

Our response doesnt look good even when he skews the data. Those 5 countries have a population of312 million with 18.5k new cases yesterday. The US has a population of 326 million with 44.5k new cases

Conservative_frk · 2020-09-03T00:09:59.492Z

I just saw a Biden commercial. It talked about a “National Mask Mandate”.
SMH

GrandWazoo · 2020-09-03T04:32:23.276Z

Press Herald – 1 Sep 20

Pastor defiant about outbreak as anxiety increases in Sanford

Todd Bell, who officiated at a wedding in Millinocket that has been linked to more than 130 cases of COVID-19 and 1 death, has framed himself as a victim of a culture war.

So we have a Pastor in a area that was pretty much Covid free. And he presided over a wending where masks were not mandatory. And a whole bunch of people got infected. And a older lady dies. And this Pastor, who is a virus denier goes back home and more people get infected. Folks, this is just stupid.
As was all of the speakers at the RNC who went on air and said that the Democrats are using this virus to keep you from going to church. This is beyond stupid. And it is going to kill good people.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-03T05:42:34.147Z

no they’re not. they are only testing symptomatic cases in most of europe now.

Conservative_frk · 2020-09-03T10:39:22.212Z

A lot of people are not afraid of getting the virus. If you are, don’t go out.

NebraskaFootball · 2020-09-03T13:38:33.776Z

Ben_Natuf:

no they’re not. they are only testing symptomatic cases in most of europe now.

You keep saying this. Do you have some sort of proof this is the case? I can’t find it anywhere. In fact I’m finding the opposite.

data.europa.eu

Widespread Testing: Differing Strategies across Europe | data.europa.eu

Approximately six months after the first COVID-19 case was identified in China in December 2019, the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic are increasingly visible. In the first months after the virus first occurred, the agendas of countries worldwide...

Thus, ramping up testing for both symptomatic and asymptomatic people allows countries to be on top of the pandemic, develop accurate containment measures, and allocate resources effectively, while mitigating the risk of undetected people unknowingly infecting others.

The Local Europe – 29 Jun 20

‘Nip the virus in the bud’: How Germany showed Europe the way on coronavirus...

It’s taken other countries in Europe months to develop an adequate coronavirus testing regime needed to combat the pandemic. Rachel Stern examines how Germany managed it much sooner and how the country continues to lead the way.

CBC

Why provinces are starting to test people without symptoms for COVID-19 | CBC...

Not long ago, people with full-blown symptoms couldn’t get tested for COVID-19 in some provinces unless they were extremely ill. Now, even those provinces are starting to test people with no symptoms at all. Why the change? What do they hope to find...

Camp · 2020-09-03T14:14:01.557Z

They haven’t edited those out yet…

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-03T15:50:09.752Z

you’ve asked the same before, and I provided the link before. Does tds effect memory too?

Our World in Data

COVID-19 testing policies

– No testing policy. – Only those who both (a) have symptoms and also (b) meet specific criteria (e.g. key workers, admitted to hospital, came into contact with a known case, returned from overseas). – Testing of anyone showing COVID-19 symptoms. –...

here’s another source. note, only Russia, Iceland, Portugal, Germany and a couple smaller eastern European countries test anyone. Most European countries only test those with symptoms, and others only key groups of people with symptoms.

its been that way for months. cases for europe are wildly under reported.

Ben_Natuf · 2020-09-03T15:59:59.454Z

lol… Germany is the first country I listed.

not to mention I am skewing nothing. I propose looking at the curve where it does hit, compare it to any other location it does hit… the curve does not change. no matter what measures are taken or not taken.