I’m not the one claiming to know what Trump knows here, you are.
And the subject is? Holding him criminally liable.
Yes, actual evidence not innuendo.
To hold someone criminally liable you have to show through the evidence that they in someway participated in the crime.
The bar for holding the company financially liable under the civil penalties section is much lower.
Or failed to prevent the crime from happening.
Konssurvative1:
Yeah, you said that already and i said neither, did you. I said some stuff about the guy at the top of the leadership being the guy who guides policy. That would have been Trump. Plausible deniability is no excuse for not knowing your company is doing something illegal.
Like not knowing the speed limit is not an excuse for going 50 in a 25 zone. When you take your drivers test…you are tested on what the speed limits are on certain types of roads.
As the leader, you should know if your company is hiring illegals. Nuff said
When you’re driving the car you’re actually in control and responsible for your own actions, not the actions of the guy who aired up your tires at Discount tire a year ago.
Show me the statute on that one.
kermode
February 15, 2019, 6:02am
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Why is it so difficult to say Trump should have tried harder to drive a company culture of zero tolerance for hiring illegals?
Well, that isn’t even what’s being discussed.
Thanks for making my point. Trump is the captain of his ship. He’s in control and responsibility for what happens. Plain and simple. That’s how it works in the corporate world.
Really? Show me a CEO of an major corporation that has been convicted under the same circumstances.
Still waiting on that citation.
I will give you an example. Tobacco companies not preventing advertising that was geared toward kids. How much liability was there on that? Millions? More. Granted that isn’t criminal it’s civil…but the concept is the same.
Which has nothing to do with what’s being discussed.
Show me A CEO convicted on charges of hiring illegal aliens under the same circumstances.
DougBH:
And that’s kind of the problem. I’m for enforcing these laws against Trump if he knowingly broke them and for enforcing these laws against those who harbor them in sanctuary cities.
Its a nice topic for an anti-Trump thread, but how many Democratic party leaders or Republican leaders really want these strictly enforced?
They don’t want these laws strictly enforced. That’s the whole idea behind sanctuary cities.
DougBH:
And would our immigration laws be enforced more strongly and our border be more secured under Hillary, supporter of sanctuary cities? In voting, you have a choice of the best (or least worst) of two candidates. No remorse for voting for Trump.
Yes. Yes our border and immigration laws would be more strongly enforced. We would have more defined immigration laws that would be enforced without the need to remove children from their families as well.
Children are separated from their parents every day in this country when the parents are taken into custody and/or jailed.
Why exactly should illegals be spared the same?
kermode
February 15, 2019, 6:20am
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Of course it is.
You’re only interested in whether Trump is legally liable, and not about what kind of culture the leader instills in his companies.
No, the discussion is about civil and criminal liability. See USC 1324.
DougBH:
And that’s kind of the problem. I’m for enforcing these laws against Trump if he knowingly broke them and for enforcing these laws against those who harbor them in sanctuary cities.
Its a nice topic for an anti-Trump thread, but how many Democratic party leaders or Republican leaders really want these strictly enforced?
If he “knowingly” broke them? As opposed to ignorantly broke them? You have seen the stories on the hiring practices at his properties, right?
The pretzeling of pro-Trumpers is a sight to behold.
If you want to prosecute the man you have to show his complicity in the crimes being alleged.
It’s not about “Feelings” it’s about he law.
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Kenneth Lay of Enron. Tried to claim he did not know what Fastow and Skilling were doing with their accounting practices…and was convicted. He should have known and done something to stop them…skilling and Lay were found guilty. Skilling was sentenced to 24 years and Lay died before sentencing…but probably would have done more.
Satisfied?