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WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:51:18.027Z

The CDC is including suicides and lawful homicides in that figure to skew the facts.

In the real world there were approximately 11,000 firearms related homicides in the US in 2016.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

You can’t do anything to prevent suicides with gun control. Japan’s suicide rate is more than 5x that of the US and they have among the strictest gun control laws in the first and second worlds.

Of course, this is the same CDC that hid for over 20 years their own research showing in excess of 2 million lawful DGU’s occurring annually in the US so their bias is obvious.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:52:39.675Z

They are the 110,000,000 law abiding gun owners that have you surrounded and aren’t committing crimes with their guns.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:55:37.876Z

Cite your source stating that good guys with guns can prevent all mass shootings. Let me help you, it doesn’t exist.

What we know for a fact though is that the quicker these shooters can be engaged with gunfire the less the likelihood the death toll will rise above three and that the incidents will typically end in less than 1/4 of the time as compared to when they are given a free opportunity to shoot to their heart’s content.

In this case the shooter had an elevated and fortified position, long guns, and still was only able to kill one person. That’s a win every time.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:56:23.805Z

Do you really not grasp the difference in a constitutionally protected right vs a privilege?

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-09T11:46:48.205Z

WildRose:

They are the 110,000,000 law abiding gun owners that have you surrounded and aren’t committing crimes with their guns.

Oh, I see. You have personally checked the mental fitness of all 110,000. LOL. You must be a very busy retiree.

WildRose · 2018-10-10T01:58:53.865Z

We know they aren’t committing crimes with the guns they lawfully own and possess and don’t need to know anything more about them unless and until they cease to be law abiding citizens.

Samm · 2018-10-10T05:14:19.064Z

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

They are the 110,000,000 law abiding gun owners that have you surrounded and aren’t committing crimes with their guns.

Oh, I see. You have personally checked the mental fitness of all 110,000. LOL. You must be a very busy retiree.

What part of “law abiding” and “aren’t committing crimes with their guns” are you having trouble understanding?

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T11:56:34.629Z

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-10-10T12:02:36.108Z

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T12:05:50.280Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

But we can be assured that WR has completely vetted all of these people. I mean, how else could he make such a declarative statement.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-10-10T12:14:26.867Z

SimplyTrying:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

But we can be assured that WR has completely vetted all of these people. I mean, how else could he make such a declarative statement.

Don’t waste your time.

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:14:51.936Z

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

So what are you proposing, that nobody be allowed to have a gun lest one day they decide to stop being law abiding? Are you not aware that prior restraint is unconstitutional?

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:16:30.579Z

SimplyTrying:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

But we can be assured that WR has completely vetted all of these people. I mean, how else could he make such a declarative statement.

How do you two propose vetting people with no criminal record?

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T19:21:45.693Z

I think it’s rather clear what I said. I don’t know why you guys have such difficulty discerning the English language. If you don’t understand stop embarrassing yourself.

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T19:22:27.533Z

The point was that it was impossible. Jeez - this stuff isn’t tat hard.

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:27:33.669Z

SimplyTrying:

I think it’s rather clear what I said. I don’t know why you guys have such difficulty discerning the English language. If you don’t understand stop embarrassing yourself.

Yes, it’s clear that you don’t want even law biding people to have guns, lest one day they lose it and shoot someone. You are a paragon of transparency.

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T19:31:10.261Z

No, you misunderstand again. Probably just being obtuse. I can’t dumb it down any more for you. You’ll have to muddle through life like this.

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:35:14.852Z

SimplyTrying:

The point was that it was impossible. Jeez - this stuff isn’t tat hard.

Yes it is, so it’s a good thing that WR did not propose doing so. Your criticism was merely a fabrication meant to mock those with whom you fundamentally disagree. You are simply trying too hard to counter points for which you have no rational response.

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:35:46.676Z

SimplyTrying:

No, you misunderstand again. Probably just being obtuse. I can’t dumb it down any more for you. You’ll have to muddle through life like this.

I understand you perfectly.

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T19:41:27.740Z

No you don’t. And I’m very sorry, but I have no more time to spend with you today. I don’t do circular arguments.