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lulubee · 2018-10-06T15:54:02.945Z

SimplyTrying:

lulubee:

There were “good guys with guns” outnumbering the one bad guy with a gun - so how is it possible one good guy died and 6 other were wounded? I thought all we needed was “good guys with guns” to prevent mass shootings. Guess that’s not really the answer, no?

I guess we need to arm the entire country. But “good guy with gun” is a bit oxymoronic anyway. We don’t know who these people really are.

We do in this case - they were police officers.

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-06T15:57:11.551Z

lulubee:

SimplyTrying:

lulubee:

There were “good guys with guns” outnumbering the one bad guy with a gun - so how is it possible one good guy died and 6 other were wounded? I thought all we needed was “good guys with guns” to prevent mass shootings. Guess that’s not really the answer, no?

I guess we need to arm the entire country. But “good guy with gun” is a bit oxymoronic anyway. We don’t know who these people really are.

We do in this case - they were police officers.

I’m talking in general about the phrase.

Steel-W0LF · 2018-10-06T16:48:50.139Z

CassandraJoe:

zantax:

Cleveland Fire That Killed 9 Ruled Arson

See? Now THAT’S News.

The CDC says there were 36,252 firearm deaths in 2015: FastStats - Injuries

But the U.S. Fire Administration says there were only 3,362 fire deaths in that same year.U.S. fire deaths, fire death rates and risk of dying in a fire

Death in a fire is WAY less common than mere gunshot death.

hopkinsmedicine.org

Study Suggests Medical Errors Now Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S. -...

Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ , surpasses...

Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ , surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/340012002
The National Safety Council estimated automotive fatalities topped 40,000 for the second consecutive year.

Looks like we need comprehensive background checks on doctors and all automobile owners.

Steel-W0LF · 2018-10-06T17:43:45.187Z

CassandraJoe:

Steel-W0LF:

CassandraJoe:

zantax:

Cleveland Fire That Killed 9 Ruled Arson

See? Now THAT’S News.

The CDC says there were 36,252 firearm deaths in 2015.

But the U.S. Fire Administration says there were only 3,362 fire deaths in that same

Death in a fire is WAY less common than mere gunshot death.

Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ , surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year.

The National Safety Council estimated automotive fatalities topped 40,000 for the second consecutive year.

See? Nobody ever reports on Medical error deaths because they’re so common. Not News.

Auto accidents typically wind up on the third page of the B-section in most newspapers. Just barely news.

So why should a nearly equal number of Gun deaths make the Front Pages?

Its just Life in these United States.

Looks like we need comprehensive background checks on doctors and all automobile owners.

I think we already do. Most States keep records of traffic violations - from parking tickets to accidents.
Doctors are heavily vetted, requiring State Board qualification, re-certification, and Senior Hospital Staff oversight.

But maybe we need MORE comprehensive background checks on doctors and all automobile owners.

However, drivers and Doctors don’t have a Constitutional Right to drive or practice Medicine.

The honest reason why is because a good portion of those shootings all occur in a few areas. In those areas it really doesn’t make the news anymore. In most of the rest of the country shootings are relatively rare.
In my area a few weeks ago, someone shot at and injured a cop. It was in the news cycle for over a week. That wouldn’t even make the evening news in Chicago.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:46:08.208Z

Well if that were true we’d have thousands of cops being shot to hell all over the country every year.

The fact we don’t shows it isn’t remotely true.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:47:28.163Z

90% of unlawful shootings occur in the hundred most populous zip codes in the country.

A shooting in a small town that doesn’t average one a decade is “news” by any definition as it’s a shocking, unheard of, very rare event.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:51:18.027Z

The CDC is including suicides and lawful homicides in that figure to skew the facts.

In the real world there were approximately 11,000 firearms related homicides in the US in 2016.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

You can’t do anything to prevent suicides with gun control. Japan’s suicide rate is more than 5x that of the US and they have among the strictest gun control laws in the first and second worlds.

Of course, this is the same CDC that hid for over 20 years their own research showing in excess of 2 million lawful DGU’s occurring annually in the US so their bias is obvious.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:52:39.675Z

They are the 110,000,000 law abiding gun owners that have you surrounded and aren’t committing crimes with their guns.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:55:37.876Z

Cite your source stating that good guys with guns can prevent all mass shootings. Let me help you, it doesn’t exist.

What we know for a fact though is that the quicker these shooters can be engaged with gunfire the less the likelihood the death toll will rise above three and that the incidents will typically end in less than 1/4 of the time as compared to when they are given a free opportunity to shoot to their heart’s content.

In this case the shooter had an elevated and fortified position, long guns, and still was only able to kill one person. That’s a win every time.

WildRose · 2018-10-08T21:56:23.805Z

Do you really not grasp the difference in a constitutionally protected right vs a privilege?

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-09T11:46:48.205Z

WildRose:

They are the 110,000,000 law abiding gun owners that have you surrounded and aren’t committing crimes with their guns.

Oh, I see. You have personally checked the mental fitness of all 110,000. LOL. You must be a very busy retiree.

WildRose · 2018-10-10T01:58:53.865Z

We know they aren’t committing crimes with the guns they lawfully own and possess and don’t need to know anything more about them unless and until they cease to be law abiding citizens.

Samm · 2018-10-10T05:14:19.064Z

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

They are the 110,000,000 law abiding gun owners that have you surrounded and aren’t committing crimes with their guns.

Oh, I see. You have personally checked the mental fitness of all 110,000. LOL. You must be a very busy retiree.

What part of “law abiding” and “aren’t committing crimes with their guns” are you having trouble understanding?

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T11:56:34.629Z

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-10-10T12:02:36.108Z

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T12:05:50.280Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

But we can be assured that WR has completely vetted all of these people. I mean, how else could he make such a declarative statement.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-10-10T12:14:26.867Z

SimplyTrying:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

But we can be assured that WR has completely vetted all of these people. I mean, how else could he make such a declarative statement.

Don’t waste your time.

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:14:51.936Z

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

So what are you proposing, that nobody be allowed to have a gun lest one day they decide to stop being law abiding? Are you not aware that prior restraint is unconstitutional?

Samm · 2018-10-10T19:16:30.579Z

SimplyTrying:

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

Everyone is “law abiding” until they are not. I’d ask which part of that you don’t understand snarky one.

Yep.

Almost everyone in our country can buy a gun, make a decent plan, and kill pretty much anybody they want to. The only thing stopping them is the fear of going to jail or their own morals.

But we can be assured that WR has completely vetted all of these people. I mean, how else could he make such a declarative statement.

How do you two propose vetting people with no criminal record?

SimplyTrying · 2018-10-10T19:21:45.693Z

I think it’s rather clear what I said. I don’t know why you guys have such difficulty discerning the English language. If you don’t understand stop embarrassing yourself.