61% think mueller will find trump comitted an impeachable or criminal offense

margaretms2 · 2022-08-25T14:03:50.343Z

Huh? Trump lied about the payment to Stormy Daniels. What are you referring to in this post from 2018?

You disagree with this?

Trump tells and says a lot of things, even mutually exclusive stuff. He says one thing; then he says the opposite; then he does . . . whatever . He’s comically inconsistent and contradictory, so it’s foolish to believe him in this particular instance. Honestly, I thought his supporters actually liked–or at least pretended to like–that aspect of his personality.

Seems pretty accurate, then and now. That first sentence even applies to the self-canceling excuses given for Trump’s weird document-hoarding. Do you know what hyperbole means?

ETA: I went back and looked at the Stormy Daniels saga. Holy ■■■■■ it was a conveyor belt of lies from Trump and his sycophants. Even dumber than I remembered.

tnt · 2022-08-25T14:16:34.045Z

How is it news that Bill Barr declined to prosecute Trump? We knew that years ago.

Guntsu · 2022-08-25T14:18:57.787Z

The memo does not make Barr’s decision look good if anything it makes it worse.

DougBH · 2022-08-25T14:42:17.121Z

tnt:

How is it news that Bill Barr declined to prosecute Trump? We knew that years ago.

The people who wanted the unredacted memo released wanted to show that Barr was acting on his own and had already made a decision. The judge agreed and ordered the memo released. The memo showed that indeed Barr was following the recommendations of those in the DOJ and not acting on his own. The reasoning of the memo was sound. There was no crime to cover up. There was no evidence hidden, there was no falsification of evidence. There was no obstruction.
You can be sure the judge is disappointed.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2022-08-25T14:48:03.850Z

DougBH:

The people who wanted the unredacted memo released wanted to show that Barr was acting on his own and had already made a decision. The judge agreed and ordered the memo released. The memo showed that indeed Barr was following the recommendations of those in the DOJ and not acting on his own.

You understand that as AG, Barr was the head of the DoJ, right?

WuWei · 2022-08-25T14:56:55.969Z

Was he the head of the OLC?

TheDoctorIsIn · 2022-08-25T15:00:19.134Z

WuWei:

Was he the head of the OLC?

Yes, of course.

https://www.justice.gov/olc

ABOUT THE OFFICE

By delegation from the Attorney General, the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Office of Legal Counsel provides legal advice to the President and all executive branch agencies. The Office drafts legal opinions of the Attorney General and provides its own written opinions and other advice in response to requests from the Counsel to the President, the various agencies of the Executive Branch, and other components of the Department of Justice. Such requests typically deal with legal issues of particular complexity and importance or those about which two or more agencies are in disagreement. The Office is also responsible for reviewing and commenting on the constitutionality of pending legislation.

WuWei · 2022-08-25T15:02:04.603Z

No. The OLC is an advisory group to the AG. Barr was not the head of the OLC.

TheDoctorIsIn · 2022-08-25T15:06:48.809Z

WuWei:

No. The OLC is an advisory group to the AG. Barr was not the head of the OLC.

Of course he was. He was at the top of the Org Chart.

tnt · 2022-08-25T15:07:09.652Z

DougBH:

The people who wanted the unredacted memo released wanted to show that Barr was acting on his own and had already made a decision. The judge agreed and ordered the memo released. The memo showed that indeed Barr was following the recommendations of those in the DOJ and not acting on his own.

Barr is the boss. The buck stops with him. Taking others advice, good. It’s still his final decision.

DougBH:

There was no crime to cover up.

That has absolutely no legal bearing on an obstruction of justice case.

DougBH:

There was no evidence hidden, there was no falsification of evidence.

These are not the only ways to obstruct justice.

Other ways include - firing the investigator.

tnt · 2022-08-25T15:08:21.715Z

WuWei:

No. The OLC is an advisory group to the AG. Barr was not the head of the OLC.

Is he obligated to take the advice of the OLC?

and BTW, the OLC works for the AG. They are under him.

WuWei · 2022-08-25T15:11:17.919Z

No, nobody is “obligated” to take advice.

Sure, if you say so. It’s not exactly like a stock boy being “under” the produce manager.

Please think.

WuWei · 2022-08-25T15:11:44.859Z

TheDoctorIsIn:

WuWei:

No. The OLC is an advisory group to the AG. Barr was not the head of the OLC.

Of course he was. He was at the top of the Org Chart.

Come on man!

SixFoot · 2022-08-25T15:15:44.363Z

DougBH:

The people who wanted the unredacted memo released wanted to show that Barr was acting on his own and had already made a decision. The judge agreed and ordered the memo released. The memo showed that indeed Barr was following the recommendations of those in the DOJ and not acting on his own. The reasoning of the memo was sound. There was no crime to cover up. There was no evidence hidden, there was no falsification of evidence. There was no obstruction.

It’s no wonder libs are always starved for drama.

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tnt · 2022-08-25T15:26:51.797Z

If he’s not obligated to take their advice then he made his own decision.

The OLc works for the AG. That’s all.

STODR · 2022-08-25T15:28:58.197Z

Your right he did make a decision to follow their advice.

WuWei · 2022-08-25T16:17:33.746Z

Low, low information.

DougBH · 2022-08-25T16:32:18.749Z

Duh. That does not mean that he has to follow the recommendations of specialist analysts, as he can overrule them. In this case, he followed the recommendations as they were persuasive.

JimmyC · 2022-08-25T18:13:52.804Z

So they concluded that no reasonable prosecutor would have brought charges

JimmyC · 2022-08-25T18:23:23.725Z

As long as your requests to obstruct are for the right reasons and those who were asked to obstruct did not actually carry out the requests then it would be hard to make an obstruction case stick.