6 atlanta cops charged with pulling 2 black students from their car

WildRose · 2020-06-03T11:29:37.927Z

Call me crazy but I’d like to see all the video available from the incident including body and vehicle cameras and audio before jumping to conclusions.

I’m weird that way.

WuWei · 2020-06-03T12:43:45.995Z

TriggerWarning:

AlexMcAlpine:

It is essential that all cops everywhere have body cams and microphones and that they can’t be turned off.

This would be for their protection as well!!! Prevent people from making false accusations.

When you develop a battery capable of going a full 12 hr shift on record mode you will become the richest man on earth. Cell phone makers will pay all the money to you for the rights to such a powerful battery.

Hopefully you will also be willing to pay all the money from lawsuits when officers end up recording themselves and each other nude while going to the bathroom or going into a locker room. Those videos will end up on the server and humans being humans someone will misuse them.

And hopefully you have a solution for how cops can download their videos since they can never turn off their recorders. And review their videos to make sure their reports are right - did she say he raised his fist and said “I’m going to kill you ****” or did he just hit her and then said that later. These are the kinds of things a case can turn on and is the difference between a simple battery (misdemeanor) and attempted murder or felony domestic battery.

Your also going to need to figure out how to pay for all the extra employees who will have to review and edit each officers bodycam to pull out the relevant parts for a case. Since it will always be on there will be no obvious breaks between the beginning and end of a call.

Snarkiness aside my bodycam, which is considered a top of the line camera, can run about 6-8 hrs without recharging. Plenty of time usually for a normal shift since we can take it off and put in the charger in our car. We have to put our bodycam in a download dock at the station for downloading - this can take anywhere from 5 minutes to 30 minute depending on how much video you have and what quality it was saved as - you can classify on your recording - simple contacts where no police action is taken or minor calls go low quality (barking dogs, traffic stops where nothing happens, etc) while violent crimes, DUI’s, and felonies go on super high quality. . Normal procedure is when we go in to write our reports we drop the the bodycam in the download dock. Problem that does happen a lot is while sitting there typing a really hot call comes out that we have to go to - we jump up, run to our cars, arrive on scene, and reach down to turn on our bodycam which is still in the download dock because we forgot in the heat of the moment.

Always on sounds good in theory to people who have put next to no thought into the issue of what it would realistically mean. I mentioned many very real issues above.

The city can make a deal to put camera battery chargers in every Dunkin and Krispy Kreme. Problem solved.

Actually it is easily solved. Spare batteries in the police station. You come in once a shift. Clock out (not for pay, for service) and change batteries, clock in and go back out.

STODR · 2020-06-03T12:48:21.427Z

Most of those can be solved but getting quik disconnect. have it plugged in when in car. It can charge. If you forget to disconnect getting out it disconnects on it’s own. Hell I had those on my equipment in jets for 30 years. as for downloads, even the tiniest cameras automatically download on their own now days. no need to put in dock to charge or download.

The biggest barrier I see is cost.

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T12:51:34.732Z

conan:

Thee is fine line here and not enough information.

These are almost always reported without enough information. The narrative is that cops want to harass, injure, and even kill black drivers. Driving while black.

But with the current anti-cop sentiments so rampant in the public sphere now, cops MUST have their body cams on. Without that, the court of public opinion will convict them based on the framed reporting.

As it stands now, the cops just wanted to pull random black people from a car. That’s all the info available.

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T12:51:56.710Z

moonshine:

if a cop is involved in an incident and their body cam is off as far as im concerned they are guilty

Exhibit-A

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T12:53:15.907Z

conan:

If true then I’ll ask why single out that vehicle when there were other vehicles on the road.

It was the only one with blacks in it.

Smyrna · 2020-06-03T12:54:48.160Z

moonshine:

if a cop is involved in an incident and their body cam is off as far as im concerned they are guilty

So…applying that…tell us what you believe happened to Epstein?

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T12:56:23.537Z

thinkingman:

heres a good example of irresponsible media

Nobody needs look far to find such examples.

Anyone unable to admit it is just lying to himself.

WildRose · 2020-06-03T13:09:49.352Z

The battery life and storage capacity to create such a body cam does not yet exist.

WildRose · 2020-06-03T13:11:58.761Z

Of course not. This is a story designed to gin up outrage and entirely politically motivated with no attempt to actually inform the reader as to just what happened in this incident.

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T13:12:53.039Z

conan:

We don’t know what happen prior. I do know majors and police will do anything to placate the radical left-wing extremist ATM.

Had the Atlanta authorities not acted quickly, the rioting nationwide would have doubled. Inaction by the Minneapolis authorities regarding the Floyd killing was impetus aplenty to foment demonstrations calling for justice. Minneapolis should have charged at least the one cop immediately. By the time they finally did that, it was too late.

To me, charging the guys with a crime is NOT convicting them. And it is NOT an indication that the DA has clear proof of the crime.

WildRose · 2020-06-03T13:16:11.837Z

There wasn’t a lack of action in Minnesota, that’s just what the media is feeding us.

They were fired immediately and the case was immediately turned over to the DA. Before they could even come up with appropriate charges an autopsy had to be done and witness statements taken.

This isn’t as cut and dried as a shooting.

The police did their job as did the DA and the GJ.

Even if they had been immediately arrested and charged (not proper in a situation like this) the end result we’re seeing would be the same because this was never really about Floyd’s death, his death was just an excuse to riot.

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T13:18:49.395Z

WildRose:

There wasn’t a lack of action in Minnesota, that’s just what the media is feeding us.

No doubt about it. My statement was in the context of current public sentiments.

The media are winning.

WildRose:

This isn’t as cut and dried as a shooting.

Again, within today’s context. I was agreeing with Conan that the charges had to be filed quickly to placate the anarchists.

Guvnah · 2020-06-03T13:23:28.767Z

My gut impression (absent a ton of necessary info) is that the occupants of this one car among many was singled out for a reason. And I do NOT believe the reason was “driving while black”. Occupants resisted. Cops escalated beyond what was warranted. And no body cam or other evidence is available to validate the initial reason for the LEO engagement of this car.

Tensions are high coast to coast, and escalation of engagements is commonplace – whether it’s a physical escalation (as occurred in this incident) or just verbal escalation such as we see in every thread and sub-discussion all across this board.

WildRose · 2020-06-03T13:27:24.300Z

To do so however would be improper. You can’t charge them without an actual cause of death other than the charge that was finally leveled.

As far as I’m concerned it should be a first degree murder case with depraved indifference as an aggravating factor along with the duration of time along with the fact at least one of the other officers twice tried to get him to get off the guys neck and turn him on his side and/or put him in the car.

To me this shows both a depraved heart and premeditation.

However the way the legal system works you don’t charge people in order to placate a mob, to do so is the opposite of seeking justice.

No matter how many noses are out of joint this was handled appropriately from the start because from a legal standpoint without a clear cause of death you can’t charge him/them with murder.

These people aren’t wanting justice for this man’s death, they want vengeance for both real and fabricated offenses against the entire African Race.

WildRose · 2020-06-03T13:28:37.131Z

We haven’t seen the video but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Police never do and never will make all the evidence available quickly or fully prior to trial.

WuWei · 2020-06-03T15:12:52.408Z

Guvnah:

conan:

If true then I’ll ask why single out that vehicle when there were other vehicles on the road.

It was the only one with blacks in it.

Or hot girls.

WuWei · 2020-06-03T15:13:10.485Z

WildRose:

We haven’t seen the video but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Police never do and never will make all the evidence available quickly or fully prior to trial.

Why not?

TriggerWarning · 2020-06-03T15:22:02.212Z

WuWei:

The city can make a deal to put camera battery chargers in every Dunkin and Krispy Kreme. Problem solved.

Actually it is easily solved. Spare batteries in the police station. You come in once a shift. Clock out (not for pay, for service) and change batteries, clock in and go back out.

We have chargers in our cars. Getting them charged up isn’t the issue. Its the fact that we can’t record while charging. Alex wants ones that always record and we can’t turn off. The battery necessary for this does not exist in a small compact size, if it did cell phones would have them which is why cell phone companies would pay you billions if you developed one.

You also can’t swap batteries. Can you swap batteries in your cell phone? No you can’t in ordinary cell phones. Most body cams come in one of two styles. An all in one unit which is the lens, battery, and controls. The whole thing is mounted to your vest and the whole thing comes off and into the charger. There is no separate battery. The other style is exactly the same as what I just mentioned except the lens a separate part and connects to the control pack / battery by a cord so you can wear this part on your belt. The whole thing comes off to charge.

thinkingman · 2020-06-03T15:37:45.519Z

Guvnah:

thinkingman:

heres a good example of irresponsible media

Nobody needs look far to find such examples.

Anyone unable to admit it is just lying to himself.

they literally are dangerous to the country.