5.2 percent increase for Federal employees, 4.7% of which will be across the board and 0.5% will be locality pay

Gaius · 2023-11-11T14:42:40.484Z

Publius:

Pay increases aren’t based on the inflation rate, they’re based on the Employment Cost Index minus 0.5%.

If they ever fully implemented the 1990 Federal Employees Pay Comparabilty Act (FEPCA), feds would be due an increase of 22% or so. Generally, the President proposes an alternate, lower pay plan, like this one.

Oh. Sound like

When the cost of health insurance goes up
Federal employees get the added health insurance plus get an extra raise in their cash wages above and beyond inflation.
When the cost of benefits go up (workers comp, family leave etc.), Federal employees get the benefits plus get an extra raise in their cash wages above and beyond inflation.
When Federal employees get an added holiday (like Juneteenth) they get the paid holiday plus get an extra raise in their cash wages above and beyond inflation.

Worker: “Why’d I get a raise?”
Employer: “Well, we gave you an extra paid day off so the cost of compensating you went up.”

IOW it sounds pretty stupid to me but since we are talking about the government, maybe it happened.

Rodeo · 2023-11-11T14:47:51.597Z

Thank you…

After the downward revision of those 150000 that 51000 will be pretty close to half.

Appreciate the information you provide.

WuWei · 2023-11-11T14:52:07.258Z

Rodeo:

WuWei:

Not until they do their jobs.

I sense we are doomed to disagree here my friend.

The border patrol is handcuffed by idiotic public policy courtesy of the worst president ever.

There’s a lot more to it than that.

Rodeo · 2023-11-11T14:55:39.171Z

WuWei:

There’s a lot more to it than that.

I think the border patrol has done pretty well given what they’ve been given to work with by this administration…

Like I said I suspect we’ll disagree on this point.

It’s fine I’m off to announce a big roping in fort Worth have a great day!

Gaius · 2023-11-11T15:37:35.335Z

Rodeo:

WuWei:

There’s a lot more to it than that.

I think the border patrol has done pretty well given what they’ve been given to work with by this administration…

Like I said I suspect we’ll disagree on this point.

It’s fine I’m off to announce a big roping in fort Worth have a great day!

When I see them cutting razor write and fist-bumping illegals I think it might be time for them to consider quitting their jobs on ethical grounds.

There is a line where most people think
“I wouldn’t do that for middle class pay. I’d rather learn to drive a truck or fix air conditioners. Nope I won’t be a whore and I won’t raise my sons and daughters to be whores.”

WuWei · 2023-11-11T15:59:47.365Z

Might want to look at the demographics.

Safiel · 2023-11-11T17:38:50.764Z

Gaius:

What’s the rational?

The rationale (which applies to Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump & Biden, who all issued these executive pay orders every year) is to adjust Federal pay for inflation.

No more.

No less.

Safiel · 2023-11-11T17:44:59.974Z

If your an inventory management specialist, GS-5, at Step 10 (you’ve been with the government 18 years), you would be making right at the bottom of the range of what private sector inventory management specialists would be making.

If your looking for job security, the General Schedule is the place for you.

If your looking for superior pay, you will find it in the private sector.

Gaius · 2023-11-11T17:50:22.448Z

Safiel:

Gaius:

What’s the rational?

The rationale (which applies to Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump & Biden, who all issued these executive pay orders every year) is to adjust Federal pay for inflation.

No more.

No less.

No more
No less.

Wouldn’t that imply a pay increase the same as inflation instead of 150% times inflation?

“Apples went up $1.00 so mega-big apple corporation raised the orice to consumers $1.50” would not exactly have libs falling over themselves to applaud.

Safiel · 2023-11-11T17:53:26.059Z

Gaius:

Safiel:

Gaius:

What’s the rational?

The rationale (which applies to Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump & Biden, who all issued these executive pay orders every year) is to adjust Federal pay for inflation.

No more.

No less.

No more
No less.

Wouldn’t that imply a pay increase the same as inflation instead of 150% times inflation?

“Apples went up $1.00 so mega-big apple corporation raised the orice to consumers $1.50” would not exactly have libs falling over themselves to applaud.

As another poster stated above, the changes are based on the Employment Cost Index. Biden calculated this just as Clinton, Bush II, Obama and Trump did.

And the Alternative Pay Plan is MUCH lower than if Biden had allowed the statutory increase to take affect.

No foul on Biden or any of the other President’s here. They are simply following the law as written.

johnrandolph · 2023-11-11T18:12:41.802Z

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Safiel · 2023-11-11T18:27:40.416Z

johnrandolph:

(snipped for brevity)

There are quite a few things I would be willing to cut, including significant cuts on the defense and domestic sides.

■■■■ can construction of some Navy carriers and other ships and cut force sizes overall.

Abolish the Department of Education and some other useless agencies.

Unfortunately, for all the “shut down the government” talk, Republicans have made few significant cuts when they have had full power.

johnrandolph · 2023-11-11T18:29:31.466Z

Safiel:

johnrandolph:

(snipped for brevity)

There are quite a few things I would be willing to cut, including significant cuts on the defense and domestic sides.

■■■■ can construction of some Navy carriers and other ships and cut force sizes overall.

Abolish the Department of Education and some other useless agencies.

Unfortunately, for all the “shut down the government” talk, Republicans have made few significant cuts when they have had full power.

Few? They’ve never, ever significantly cut anything.

Safiel · 2023-11-11T18:35:36.068Z

johnrandolph:

Few? They’ve never, ever significantly cut anything.

The Republican Congress did abolish the Board of Tea Appeals in 1996.

Yes, that was a real thing.

johnrandolph · 2023-11-11T18:46:09.707Z

Safiel:

johnrandolph:

Few? They’ve never, ever significantly cut anything.

The Republican Congress did abolish the Board of Tea Appeals in 1996.

Yes, that was a real thing.

Therein lies the problem, nearly thirty years ago they eliminated an obsolete board. More was saved striking a fleet tug from the register.

WuWei · 2023-11-11T18:46:42.770Z

Great start.

Gaius · 2023-11-11T20:13:26.696Z

Yes it is vased on employment cost.

If the cost of health insurance rises, government workers get the (more expensive) HI, plus also get a permanent increase in cash wages on top of that.

Publius · 2023-11-11T21:08:26.155Z

Gaius:

Yes it is vased on employment cost.

If the cost of health insurance rises, government workers get the (more expensive) HI, plus also get a permanent increase in cash wages on top of that.

Health insurance ALWAYS rises. The government still pays the same percentage of the health insurance cost (about 75%, I think), but the employee/retiree pays the increase in the other 25%. My cost for health insurance for me and my wife will be going up about $40 a month next year.

Retiree COLAs are a different calculation, and vary depending on whether you’re CSRS or FERS (CSRS is usually 1% higher - for 2024, it will be 3.2% vs 2.2% for FERS).

Gaius · 2023-11-12T09:04:08.360Z

Federal employees.

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Gaius · 2023-12-08T17:15:21.981Z

According to CBS

" . . .Starting from 2021 to today, the price of everyday consumer items has risen 16.7% while wage growth has been roughly 12.8%, Foster said. "

That certainly explains why consumers think inflation is being under-reported.
Inflation includes a lot of things like home utilities, insurance, monthly subscriptions etc. none of which are the “everyday consumer items” from which consumers draw their impression.

It does not explain however why federal employees welfare recipients etc. pay raises above an beyond inflation.

cbsnews.com

Inflation is cooling, but most Americans say they haven't noticed

About 60% of American workers say their income has lagged inflation over the past 12 months, survey shows.