30 Uttar Pradesh Districts Are Now Covid-Free

Jezcoe · 2021-09-23T12:43:06.561Z

Smyrna:

tnt:

Great.

Treating the sick doesn’t eliminate transmission. The vaccine does that.

The vaccine does not eliminate transmission and to even suggest that at this point, proves…you are totally uninformed.

It does eliminate transmission because it greatly reduces the chance of being infected in the first place.

If someone who is vaccinated does get infected then the viral load is similar but the sickness is generally not as severe and the virus tends to clear the body faster thus reducing the time spent being a disease vector.

Camp · 2021-09-23T12:43:11.181Z

More of that inconsistent messaging.

thinkingman · 2021-09-23T12:43:20.680Z

Jezcoe:

thinkingman:

biggestal99:

biggestal99:

It doesn’t work.

Allan

Kills people with its toxicity.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/2-new-mexicans-have-died-of-ivermectin-toxicity-state-health-officials-say/6246168/

Take your horse medicine.

Allan

anyone die from the vaccines?

i know shhhhhh. just like the media

Much much much much much higher chance of dying from getting Covid.

Like orders of magnitude.

doesnt answer my question

tnt · 2021-09-23T12:43:40.446Z

WuWei:

That’s uncivil, get control of yourself.

How is it different from what was posted to me?!?!?

He told me I lacked fortitude. I told him he lacked fortitude…

biggestal99 · 2021-09-23T12:44:08.369Z

WuWei:

It is not the purview of the central government to prevent death.

So the FDA should just approve any drug? Willy nilly. Caveat emptor.

It’s certainly is the government job to prevent death of its citizens if possible.

Loss of tax money.

Allan

Smyrna · 2021-09-23T12:44:17.367Z

FreeAndClear:

And lock down and mask mandates and other prophylactic measures including treating the sick with the kitchen sink approach. All worked

All…

Now the question becomes, which is the lessor of the evils, the treatment or the virus? Selecting from the options to achieve the desired goal is and has been the question all along but notice, there is a serious lack of expertise regarding this, from our so called experts.

Jezcoe · 2021-09-23T12:44:31.999Z

thinkingman:

Jezcoe:

thinkingman:

biggestal99:

biggestal99:

It doesn’t work.

Allan

Kills people with its toxicity.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/2-new-mexicans-have-died-of-ivermectin-toxicity-state-health-officials-say/6246168/

Take your horse medicine.

Allan

anyone die from the vaccines?

i know shhhhhh. just like the media

Much much much much much higher chance of dying from getting Covid.

Like orders of magnitude.

doesnt answer my question

There has been a handful of death that can be attributed to the vaccine.

It is a very very small group.

The much larger group is people who have died from the virus.

WuWei · 2021-09-23T12:44:39.775Z

tnt:

Smyrna:

What happened to millions of people was a variety of things to achieve this outcome and one of them, according to those in charge, was the successful use of drugs to treat those sick.

Great.

Treating the sick doesn’t eliminate transmission. The vaccine does that.

Incorrect. One of the attributes of the vaccine is reduced severity and I believe infectious time. The latter is less relevant than it should be because of the CDC acceptance of a symptom-based quarantine release strategy.

Reduced severity is the major attribute in my opinion.

Camp · 2021-09-23T12:44:43.844Z

Excellent point.

I am good with the experiment…so be it.

WuWei · 2021-09-23T12:45:09.902Z

DMK:

SixFoot:

Well, there you have it, folks. An internet lib said the opposite of all those doctors, and that’s all the “Science!” you should ever need.

I have to wonder is some folks have a niggling doubt about the vaccine in the long term so want everyone to be in the same boat.

Interesting thought.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-23T12:45:21.869Z

tnt:

By the time you get sick and need treatment, you likely have spread the virus already.

Why is that point so hard to understand.

Prevention beats treatment.

Allan

DougBH · 2021-09-23T12:45:50.646Z

biggestal99:

biggestal99:

It doesn’t work.

Allan

Kills people with its toxicity.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/2-new-mexicans-have-died-of-ivermectin-toxicity-state-health-officials-say/6246168/

Take your horse medicine.

Allan

Self medicating is the cause here. Someone overdosing their own self prescribed drug is hardly evidence that it is not effective

thinkingman · 2021-09-23T12:46:42.944Z

Jezcoe:

thinkingman:

Jezcoe:

thinkingman:

biggestal99:

biggestal99:

It doesn’t work.

Allan

Kills people with its toxicity.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/2-new-mexicans-have-died-of-ivermectin-toxicity-state-health-officials-say/6246168/

Take your horse medicine.

Allan

anyone die from the vaccines?

i know shhhhhh. just like the media

Much much much much much higher chance of dying from getting Covid.

Like orders of magnitude.

doesnt answer my question

There has been a handful of death that can be attributed to the vaccine.

It is a very very small group.

The much larger group is people who have died from the virus.

fascinating. but only 2 were mentioned. not thousands. see the games played with statistics? just like on your news ‘tainments

i asked you question earlier.

thinkingman:

and what is that rate exactly?

higher than VT and MA?

tnt · 2021-09-23T12:46:57.952Z

WuWei:

Incorrect. One of the attributes of the vaccine is reduced severity and I believe infectious time. The latter is less relevant than it should be because of the CDC acceptance of a symptom-based quarantine release strategy.

Reduced severity is the major attribute in my opinion.

I’m not following you…

Treating sick people means they are infected, and have already had a chance to spread the virus.

Vaccinating protects some completely from infection, thus of course limiting transmission, as well as limiting and shortening any infection, which also helps to slow spread.

WuWei · 2021-09-23T12:47:10.856Z

tnt:

WuWei:

Amazing.

By the time you get sick and need treatment, you likely have spread the virus already.

By the time you test positive, you likely have spread the virus already.

By the time you test positive for antibodies, you likely have spread the virus already.

Smyrna · 2021-09-23T12:47:13.338Z

Jezcoe:

It does eliminate transmission because it greatly reduces the chance of being infected in the first place.

Now just think of what the word eliminate means?

THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON. IS THIS ONLY FOR SYMPTOMATIC INFECTIONS?

New Data on COVID-19 Transmission by Vaccinated Individuals | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (jhu.edu)

GWH · 2021-09-23T12:47:16.935Z

Jezcoe:

Smyrna:

Jezcoe:

Keep cutting out the things that India actually did like mask mandates and a hard lockdown.

Why is that?

I don’t…hence what I asked you? Is that really the road you’d like to take?

I would rather there be as many people in the country as possible vaccinated and then the State Health authorities could deal with local outbreaks instead of the virus running unchecked in large parts of the country.

But one can’t point to India and look at their success without seeing what achieved that success.

Mass infections leading to herd immunity?

WuWei · 2021-09-23T12:47:48.451Z

tnt:

Vaccinating protects some completely from infection

No it doesn’t.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-23T12:48:15.035Z

DougBH:

Self medicating is the cause here. Someone overdosing their own self prescribed drug is hardly evidence that it is not effective

Why would any sane person take a drug that was meant for horses?

Allan

WuWei · 2021-09-23T12:48:50.014Z

biggestal99:

Why would any sane person take a drug that was meant for horses?

That’s an ignorant question.