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You assume we can’t/ won’t.

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Am I ??? I don’t think so.

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You sound like me the last year…

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And some blood clots. I’ve seen 3.

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Yes you are.

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We didn’t have a vaccine until December 14th, so not likely.

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COVID itself can lead to fairly impressive clotting cascades, have seen some devastating cases. As to whether the AZ is responsible for them or it just coincides is going to be the interesting question.

AZ recently released a cache of data that shows no increased risk of clotting with their vaccine, and I tend to believe them.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/update-on-the-safety-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca.html

Of note in the release…

A careful review of all available safety data of more than 17 million people vaccinated in the European Union (EU) and UK with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or thrombocytopenia*,* in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country.

So far across the EU and UK, there have been 15 events of DVT and 22 events of pulmonary embolism reported among those given the vaccine, based on the number of cases the Company has received as of 8 March. This is much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size and is similar across other licensed COVID-19 vaccines.

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It should be in less than a month.

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Maybe not:

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Something I don’t understand here. The people with the most symptoms and damage are caused by their strong immune response right? The people with little to no symptoms are fine. And we need to get vaccinated to make that response even stronger? What am I missing here?

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The common side effects? Yes they correlate roughly with immune system robustness.

The more serious side effects like anaphylactic shock show a tendency of the immune system to over-respond.

People don’t have logical reasons to fear things they fear. The individual is terrible at accurately assessing risk.

mRNA tech is “new”. So is AAV tech.

But Moderna has only been around a decade while J &J has been around for years.

So even though J&J is also using “new” vaccine tech…some people trust them more solely because they have been around longer.

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So how does it make sense to make that response even stronger? When they tried it with SARS it never got to human trials because the test animals died of hyper immune response when exposed to the virus.

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It’s not solely making the immune response stronger.

It’s teaching your body to have a better immune response to the virus earlier on…before your immune system overreacts because the virus has such a strong foothold.

When you haven’t been exposed to a virus, the early responses are not going to be good because your immune system hasn’t seen the virus before.

The vaccine makes it so you have seen it before (well the key part of it).

Immune system overreaction in healthy adults tends to happen later in the process.

There are trained immunologists that could explain this better and correct any errors I made in simplifying it.

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What changed in the formulation from when the SARS Mrna vaccine killed the test animals?

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You talking about this?

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My understanding was that the mice lived, but the ferrets and monkeys died.

From Don’t rush to deploy COVID-19 vaccines and drugs without sufficient safety guarantees

I have worked to develop vaccines and treatments for coronaviruses since 2003, when the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak happened. In my view, standard protocols are essential for safeguarding health. Before allowing use of a COVID-19 vaccine in humans, regulators should evaluate safety with a range of virus strains and in more than one animal model. They should also demand strong preclinical evidence that the experimental vaccines prevent infection, even though that will probably mean waiting weeks or even months for the models to become available.

That is time well spent. Work with the SARS virus shows that worrying immune responses were seen in ferrets and monkeys, but not in mice. Also, some viral protein fragments can elicit more potent or less risky immune responses than others, and it makes sense to learn this in animal studies before trying them in people.

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To be clear, since I already took the shot I welcome anyone here to debunk this.

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Germany, France and Italy have suspended the use of AstraZeneca.

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My personal opinion is they are being overly cautious.

As stated, the data seems to be that the CV events witnessed happen more frequently on the background population than they do in the vaccinated population.

Unless AZ has pissed off more governments than just the US.

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How is the FDA going to authorize emergency use for this vaccine given the actions taken by other countries?

And even if it does, the media has now ensured no one here will take it.

Cut it loose.

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