So is gasoline.
If a guy is bigger or faster than you he might fight back. How you gonna fight back 28 high caliber bullets in a surprise 32 second attack? How you gonna do that Wise Guy? You wont Have time to drop your soda
zantax:Sure, a few. Movies glorifying gun play, and guaranteed huge headlines in the press come to mind. You think they will stop wanting to kill people if you could magically make all the guns disappear? Get real. They aren’t mass murderers because they like to shoot guns, they are mass murderers because they want to kill a lot of people to draw attention to themselves and their grievance. I see absolutely no reason they wouldn’t move on to their second weapon of choice if denied their first. Maybe you can explain how that works. “Oh I really, really want to kill four or more people but if I can’t do it with a gun, I’m just not interested any more”. Get real.
You’re being silly. Please quote where I said “These people wouldn’t kill if we just took the guns away.”
Now that’s over with, is it your contention that the only reason these killers choose a firearm over say, a knife is because movies glorify guns and they’ll get more press because of the anti-gun agenda?
Again with the knife as if that is the only other way to kill people. No, you don’t choose a knife if your goal is a large body count. But you could just as easily choose gasoline, or your car.
Steel-W0LF:While it’s true a firearm is more effective than a knife in most situations. Why is a gun chosen over other items that are more deadly and efficient than a gun?
Because guns are glorified.
What other items are as deadly and efficient? Do you defend your own hearth and home with these items? Why or why not?
No. Because death and mayhem are not my goals.
Things deadlier than guns?
Black powder and ball bearings in a mason jar.
A uhaul.
Bleach and draino in an air duct.
Aforementioned gasoline and a match.
If a person is only looking to cause random death the list of things better than a gun is huge. Where a gun excels is at being selective.
Because the are cheap and effective and easy to come by
I don’t know why there’s this reluctance to cop to this simple truth. Unlike knives, guns allow you to kill at a distance and require less skill to employ. Unlike explosives, they don’t require the time and expertise necessary to construct.
Gun advocates enthusiastically choose firearms as their primary means of self defense, and home defense. I don’t hear many people talk about knives, explosives, or other weapons/devices in the same manner. Is that because they’ve been fooled by Hollywood to glorify guns, or is there a tactical reason behind their choice?
Steel-W0LF:While it’s true a firearm is more effective than a knife in most situations. Why is a gun chosen over other items that are more deadly and efficient than a gun?
Because guns are glorified.
What other items are as deadly and efficient? Do you defend your own hearth and home with these items? Why or why not?
EDIT: Follow up question - Hollywood is the only entity mentioned here that glorifies guns in our culture. Is Hollywood alone in that glorification?
Follow up.
I wouldn’t limit it to just Hollywood. It’s entertainment in general.
Vigilante:Because the are cheap and effective and easy to come by
So is gasoline.
How absurd
zantax: Blackwolf: zantax:Any idea how much carnage you could wreak with a gallon of gas and a match in a crowd? Or in a building full of sleeping people? You guys think that just because you deny these kooks a gun, if that was even remotely possible in a country with hundreds of millions of existing guns, that they can’t find another way? Their weapon of choice may be a gun, but their goal is mass casualty counts and if you could deny them their weapon of choice, there are any number of other choices out there.
Any ideas why a gun is chosen so often by these mass murderers, when there’s so many available options?
Sure, a few. Movies glorifying gun play, and guaranteed huge headlines in the press come to mind. You think they will stop wanting to kill people if you could magically make all the guns disappear? Get real. They aren’t mass murderers because they like to shoot guns, they are mass murderers because they want to kill a lot of people to draw attention to themselves and their grievance. I see absolutely no reason they wouldn’t move on to their second weapon of choice if denied their first. Maybe you can explain how that works. “Oh I really, really want to kill four or more people but if I can’t do it with a gun, I’m just not interested any more”. That’s absurd.
If a guy is bigger or faster than you he might fight back. How you gonna fight back 28 high caliber bullets in a surprise 32 second attack? How you gonna do that Wise Guy?
How are a building full of sleeping people going to fight back against an arsonist, or a crowd against a car or truck? And do you have any idea how easy it is to make a flamethrower? With napalm no less.
I wouldn’t limit it to just Hollywood. It’s entertainment in general.
So is the entertainment complex in its entirely the sole agent to blame for this glorification?
Steel-W0LF:I wouldn’t limit it to just Hollywood. It’s entertainment in general.
So is the entertainment complex in its entirely the sole agent to blame for this glorification?
Sure, who else is? Not the people supporting them for self defense, they aren’t racking up body counts in self defense.
Steel-W0LF:I wouldn’t limit it to just Hollywood. It’s entertainment in general.
So is the entertainment complex in its entirely the sole agent to blame for this glorification?
I can’t think of anything that started the trend of the glorification before the entertainment complex.
How are a building full of sleeping people going to fight back against an arsonist, or a crowd against a car or truck? And do you have any idea how easy it is to make a flamethrower? With napalm no less.
If these means are all so easy, why don’t more killers employ them? Why don’t people use cars or flame throwers for self defense or defense of their home? Why aren’t they used more often than guns in murders? Is it solely because Hollywood makes guns look really cool?
I can’t think of anything that started the trend of the glorification before the entertainment complex.
All right, thank you for responding.
What other items are as deadly and efficient? Do you defend your own hearth and home with these items? Why or why not?
Oh, sorry - did you have a response to the first question?
What other items are as deadly and efficient [as guns]? Do you defend your own hearth and home with these items? Why or why not?
zantax:How are a building full of sleeping people going to fight back against an arsonist, or a crowd against a car or truck? And do you have any idea how easy it is to make a flamethrower? With napalm no less.
If these means are all so easy, why don’t more killers employ them? Why don’t people use cars or flame throwers for self defense or defense of their home? Why aren’t they used more often than guns in murders? Is it solely because Hollywood makes guns look really cool?
Self-defense is different, the goal in self-defense isn’t high body counts and you don’t have the element of surprise. You need something effective you can lay your hands on quickly that can hit a specific target, not an indiscriminate means that is going to burn down your house with the kids in it. Indiscriminate works just fine for mass murder though.
zantax:How are a building full of sleeping people going to fight back against an arsonist, or a crowd against a car or truck? And do you have any idea how easy it is to make a flamethrower? With napalm no less.
If these means are all so easy, why don’t more killers employ them? Why don’t people use cars or flame throwers for self defense or defense of their home? Why aren’t they used more often than guns in murders? Is it solely because Hollywood makes guns look really cool?
Because neither a car nor a flamethrower is useful in that task.
But when you just want random killing they are much more destructive.
zantax:Because that is the only other weapon that is readily available. Any idea how much carnage you could wreak with a gallon of gas and a match in a crowd? Or in a building full of sleeping people? You guys think that just because you deny these kooks a gun, if that was even remotely possible in a country with hundreds of millions of existing guns, that they can’t find another way? Their weapon of choice may be a gun, but their goal is mass casualty counts and if you could deny them their weapon of choice, there are any number of other choices out there.
All other industrialized countries have gasoline, knifes, trucks, etc…
Why are we the only ones that kill each other so frequently?
Because we have more people who want to kill people. We have higher rape rates than most industrialized countries too.
Steel-W0LF:What other items are as deadly and efficient? Do you defend your own hearth and home with these items? Why or why not?
Oh, sorry - did you have a response to the first question?
What other items are as deadly and efficient [as guns]? Do you defend your own hearth and home with these items? Why or why not?
Answered in the post you first replied to.
And as stated it’s the difference between discriminant and Indiscriminant
Can’t believe he actually asked why you don’t defend your home with a flamethrower, gasoline or a car.
Yes because there are sick people who seem to want to kill for no reason.