5620

Huh, check out NBC reporting Obama as saying:

“The former president criticized Republican gubernatorial hopeful Glenn Youngkin for indulging in 2020 election conspiracies”.

5621

Too bad the Dems control the Congress and Senate in NJ as the Republican candidate for governor there still has not conceded.

5622

Meh. You’re not going to log many miles towards truth with this minutia. You should put more time into the facts of the 2020 election and try to find actual fraud.

Switching gears to show that pro-fraud candidates win is such a dilute signal is hardly worth the time.

Get to the heart of the matter… what was the fraud?

5623

The systemic fraud claims are well chronicled. The heart of the matter is always winning elections. Last week was big step forward for Republicans. They have positive momentum - three to go (2022, 2023 and 2024) for this fraud of general election of 2020 to be completely vindicated.

5624

The claims are chronicled, but all the ones I have looked fall
Into one of these buckets.

  • been shown untrue

  • have not produced evidence

  • are contra-indicated by audit or recount

  • promise to produce evidence soon or in the future

  • are not fraud, but rather an illegal or disputed policy implemented to run the election, but not shown to have produced voted from invalid voters.

Do you have a claim in mind that does not fall into these categories?

Or more to the heart of the matter can you chronicle a specific fraud cause involving significant number of votes that were not cast by eligible voters?

5625

Certainly the Arizona audit result remains concerning per the Daily Signal:

  1. Problematic Findings

Fann, president of the state Senate, said the heavy media coverage of the draft audit report didn’t include some core points.

“What you have not seen and not heard yet, which is what you are going to hear right now, is about the statutes that were broken, how the chain of custody [for ballots] was not followed, how we had a number of issues, which is why people questioned the ballots in the elections,” she said.

Logan, the Cyber Ninjas CEO, delivered a PowerPoint presentation that said the audit found:

As many as 5,047 individuals voted in more than one county, for up to 5,295 additional votes. 
393 voters cast ballots using incomplete names. 
198 individuals who registered after the Oct. 15 deadline voted anyway. 
2,861 voters shared a registration number with another voter.
282 votes appeared to be cast in the names of dead voters. 
186 voters appeared to have duplicate voter IDs, both of which were presented at separate times.

Auditors also raised concerns about potential duplicate voters, with names and birth years appearing more than once on some ballots.

Shiva Ayyadurai, an engineer, made a separate PowerPoint presentation Friday to explain the duplication and signature issues. A former Republican political candidate in Arizona, Ayyadurai was hired by Cyber Ninjas because of his training in pattern recognition.

The audit found a total of 34,448 duplicate ballots cast by 17,126 unique voters. But Maricopa County reported no duplicate ballots in its canvass report.

5626

Are you willing to discuss these findings one by one?

I have responses, but my experience is that if if I respond to the specifics of the “problematic findings” you move on to another topic rather than discussing the merits of the problematic findings.

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5627

Have you looked at this any deeper or are you satisfied by this media report?

There is a totally mundane and legitimate reason for this. This is an example of the dishonest media you posted about the other day. Search around for an honest report about these duplicate ballots.

5628

Yes, certainly seen some conflicting reports too. Explain why you are seemingly confident that the curing of mail in envelopes without signatures or were deemed questionable was done properly and thus is not too concerning with this one (34,448) problematic finding.

In general, I am still hoping the Arizona AG ultimately steps up and does something more in commenting about Maricopa.

There are also some calling for audits in other counties like Pima too, but 1st things 1st.

5629

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-media-social-media-arizona-presidential-elections-9a68234adab79b0f8a55e189af5a16e4

There are more.

5630

And if he does not? Nick it has been a year and more then 60 court cases where they were free to offer evidence. And there were Trump campaign audits done in multiple states. And yet, no evidence of fraud.

5631

There you go again with the “If’s”. No need to play coy as the “ends justify the means” for both parties!!!

For as nice as it will be for the citizens of Arizona to hear definitively from their AG, such type of initiatives are merely necessary but not sufficient conditions to prevail overall. New audits will still persist mind you too.

P.S. The only thing that caught the Republicans off guard was the payback factor in 2020 for the Gore loss in 2000 being handed down from SCOTUS/the judicial branch.

The Constitution clearly wants the states to have the final word. As such, firming up election statutes and (selective) enforcement is always going to be a bi-partisan affair. Whoever and wherever a party can control a government on any and all levels (Federal, state, city and local) it does. Simply put it’s the holy grail pursued first and foremost.

Lastly, nationalizing the election attempts by the Dems are also on the clock right now. Will be interesting to see how they fare with only 13 months left until they most likely lose control of both the lower and upper chambers of Congress.

5632

Waste of taxpayer money. Like Texas arresting illegals for trespassing.

Sounds great until it comes to the execution.

Allan

5633

Please consider taking another stab making your point utilizing examples more appropriate for the election fraud thread.

5634

Just showing examples of taxpayer wasted money.

The Florida stupidity is among them.

Allan

5635

Gotcha, you apparently got nothing - apples to apples / constructive to add here.

5636

Shawnna Bolick - an Arizona state representative and a Republican contender for state elections chief - has gone a step further. She proposed a law empowering the Arizona legislature, currently controlled by Republicans, to overrule the secretary of state’s certification of popular vote results.

I have no problem with bi-partisan agreement of a states election law. But when you have one side in control that can make (and possibly pass) laws where you ignore the will of the people is a really bad thing. Don’t you agree?
And I agree that election problem areas should be cleaned up. But changing election rules when there was no problem with the existing ones is a real problem.

5637

Well, except for the fact the Constitution clearly gives the final word to the United States Congress.

(Article I, Section 4)

WW

5638

Remember how then VP Pence merely opened and read out the electoral votes of each state…

5639

I do.

But it has nothing to do with the fact that this claim “The Constitution clearly wants the states to have the final word.” is contra indicated by what is written in the Constitution.

WW